HFC's / Testpipes for AWD...

I am not a fan of HFC, since you will fail the state inspection and here in Cali, its every 2 years.


*I always wondered if the HFC do any catalyzing? or does the tailpipe vapors burn the eyes?
 
yeah I live in NYc and get ge tmy car to pass even if it shouldn't lol


but do you think the benefits of having them are good enough? or should i stick to just a ypipe and the exhaust, and keep the stock cat
 
HFC's/TPs are similar to headers. They replace a typically restrictive part of the exhaust. The y-pipe won't do as much as HFC's/TPs, just because it's metal tubing. Without stock cats, it will flow much better.
 
HFC's/TPs are similar to headers. They replace a typically restrictive part of the exhaust. The y-pipe won't do as much as HFC's/TPs, just because it's metal tubing. Without stock cats, it will flow much better.

so do you think i should get the HFC over the kakumei ypipe? or should i get both? (which one is more beneficial)

keep in mind i'm getting a technosquare tune, so everything will have it's true potential revealed.
 
HFC's/TPs are similar to headers. They replace a typically restrictive part of the exhaust. The y-pipe won't do as much as HFC's/TPs, just because it's metal tubing. Without stock cats, it will flow much better.

similar but very different. Headers and stock exhaust manifolds are basically a hollow tube, headers being more free flowing. But the catalytic converter is used to reduce the harmful emissions from the engine.

quote from Wiki

Some early converter designs created a great deal of restriction to the flow of exhaust, which negatively affected vehicle performance, driveability, and fuel economy.[6] Because they were used with carburetors incapable of precise fuel/air mixture control, they could overheat and set fire to inflammable materials under the car.[7] Removing a modern catalytic converter in new condition will only slightly increase vehicle performance without retuning,[8] but their removal or "gutting" continues.[6][9] The exhaust section where the converter was may be replaced with a welded-in section of straight pipe, or a flanged section of "test pipe" legal for off-road use that can then be replaced with a similarly fitted converter-choked section for legal on-road use, or emissions testing.[8] In the U.S. and many other jurisdictions, it is illegal to remove or disable a catalytic converter for any reason other than its immediate replacement; vehicles without functioning catalytic converters generally fail emission inspections. The aftermarket supplies high-flow converters for vehicles with upgraded engines, or whose owners prefer an exhaust system with larger-than-stock capacity.[
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I wouldnt do HFC or TP ... for how much gain?! is TS going to tune the ECU for no HFC?
 
One important point that everybody forgets is that headers are the first exhaust piece/restriction out of the engine. In it's original setup, stock headers are not equal length which causes the exhaust pulses to overlap each other sometimes and lose speed. Plus, they are shorter than equal length headers which causes you torque. If you want to benefit from the exhaust mods apart from the sound, start with headers. They might be expensive to install but both the performance and the sound is worth it IMO.

If emissions is not a concern, pair headers up with HFCs and you should be very happy. Also, IMO, the y-pipe mod for the 35 is not that beneficial as a performance gain but as a way to keep the exhaust uniform, ie, to smooth out the exhaust diameter/flow all around and give a smoother power curve all around. For 45s, it might be a different story as I think their additional exhaust output causes a restriction at the y-bends.

I did ALL except cats. I even bought Berk ceramic cats but then my exhaust was already loud enough for me at that level so I sold them back.. Btw, it's not a given but the cats might cause rasp, with the headers or not.. The only way to know is to test and see. I believe Nismo or any quality exhaust would prevent the rasp but you never know.
 
similar but very different. Headers and stock exhaust manifolds are basically a hollow tube, headers being more free flowing. But the catalytic converter is used to reduce the harmful emissions from the engine.

quote from Wiki


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter


I wouldnt do HFC or TP ... for how much gain?! is TS going to tune the ECU for no HFC?
Ya, sorry, my sentence structure was bad. I meant that headers and HFCs/TPs give similar gains because of what they are replacing. Ege summed it up well with the equal length and stuff.
 
soo opinion poll:

crawford HFC's or a kakumei ypipe? the HFC's are 10 dollars cheaper total.

keep in mind i am getting the ecu tuned soon, so i need to know whether or not to ask them to factor in both HFCS and ypipe or just one or the other. or is neither necessary as an NA? I just want performance
 
anyone else?

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i think im gonna go with the high flow cats....

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do i even need the y pipe with the hfc?

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i think im going to get just the HFC's and the tune (i'm still going to factor in the ypipe to the tune, because im going to get it eventually)

what do you guys think
 
the stock cats flow pretty decent, don't know if they'd add anything but noise on a mild build like yours really... is it confirmed that you'll see a gain with them & the stock manifolds?

headers on the other hand are a def performance mod you'll get results from, but yeah, by the time there installed there $$$ & if you ever go with the dream of jwtt that will be money wasted... if your open to think about maybe supercharging later rather than turbo then the headers are a nice prep for that though...
 
the stock cats flow pretty decent, don't know if they'd add anything but noise on a mild build like yours really... is it confirmed that you'll see a gain with them & the stock manifolds?

headers on the other hand are a def performance mod you'll get results from, but yeah, by the time there installed there $$$ & if you ever go with the dream of jwtt that will be money wasted... if your open to think about maybe supercharging later rather than turbo then the headers are a nice prep for that though...


yeah im not sure about that, so im not touching the headers. I spoke to the seller and did alot of research, all day almost, on HFC's, for the most part there are noticable gains ont he butt dyno and the real dyno 8ish hp/tq

i think im gonna do it (and a tune to optimize all my mods)
 
why wouldn;t you? just curious... i did a searhc and a few ppl have them
it was mostly z and g users that i found results in, and most people loved them if they were actually good ones....

can you explain? maybe you will copnvince me and csave a bunch of money lol..... does it not give any good gains? even with a ts reflash/tune?

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anyone?
 
You could knock out 2 birds with one stone and get long tube headers. The longer tubed headers eliminate the need for hfc's so its like having test pipes. But to be more on topic id say get the hfc's w/o new y pipe.
 
yeah I want cats though not test pipes.

I think im gong to go with the crawford HFC's, and tune the ECU to include the a/f for the ypipe, becaus ei will probably get it eventually...

how does this soundor should i forget about the ypipe and just go HFC and tune it with HFC and exhaust only

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so indecisive :(
 
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