AR Burns 22 inch

Constructive comments are always welcome whether good or bad. I started this thread not to get approval on why the rims is hot, I'm actually looking for the opposite as I'm still at the research stage.

Pupp do you have personal experience with AR hence the negative comments? I know the rims will be heavy but so far I have not found an exact number of how much more weight I'm putting on. How much performance lost am I looking at here? Putting a set of cheap rims like this can add weight to the car but so can fat chicks and 5 10inch woofer, is the money i save worth the marginal performance lost?

I know light strong and cheap can not be had at once but not everybody can throw down 8k for a set of HRE. I do believe that cars can be done up tastefully yet doesn't break the bank. Pupp got any rims suggestion for around 2000-3000/set?

I can take critism, give me the raw truth:rolleyes:
 
"Fat chicks and 5 10 inch woofers"....lol. Hey man get what YOU like. We have way left and way right "supporters"...lol. In the end its you pushing that load. Im still cracking up..."Fat chics..." :laugh:
 
Lol i definately was not inebriated at the time of my last post in the thread.....

I honestly support the fact that everyone has his or her own opinion, those buying the things and those othe people like us, to give our opinions. In cheese's thread, those wheels look like ones mustangs have. and the wheels in this thread are OK looking, and it's true they are heavy as hell blah blah but hey, he's buying 22's, i'm sure he realises they are no lightweights......
 
Performance is always good but then again so is looks.
Jeep srt-8 suv might be fast but it's ugly as fcuk!
fx35 look nice or as my friend puts it "sexy as hell"
bigger wheels weigh more but they look way better
I would love bigger wheels some day!
 
Yeah most of the moderately to cheap priced lighter wheels for our FX are just not appealing to me. I would definitely have to go with a $6K+ wheel, which price wise is also not appealing to most...lol. And since I don't race my FX I can go middle of the road and put looks first...lol.
 
the reason why some wheels are very expensive & some are very cheap is because some wheels are very expensive to build & some are very cheap to build...


consider that the cheapest wheels may be just molten metal poured into a sand cast mold, pop it out of the mold polish paint it up, bang, that's a heavy ass wheel & not so strong either unless they cast it even thicker which makes it even heavier...

now consider the oposite end of the spectrum, where a wheel is built out of multiple parts that are each built from specialized alloys for each specific part of the wheel, cnc cutting & expensive forging processes... & then engineered to go togeather precisely as an assembly, cost way more to manufacture & way more to buy, but much higher performance...

replicas are usually the worse on a quality & value level... usually very week & heavy, usually not the best quality control, there usually the worse wheels to buy...
 
One way to illustrate wheel weight & effects are, picture taking a broomstick in between your two palms & rolling it back & forth in your palms, spins back & forth easily & quickly, so quickly that you may not even be able to see the stop & reverse action•.


Now picture nailing a frizbee at the top end of the broomstick, added weight will slow down the acceleration & the stopping & reversing...

Now picture a 10 lb. Disc Weight at the top of the broomstick, will take a whole lot more torque & power to try & get this to perform like a frizbee. In the end heavy wheels will negate any other performance enhancements, you can do, add an intake & exhaust & heavy wheels & still accelerate & stop worse than stock...

Heavy wheels are cool for a cruiser but if performance is a priority then they are anti performance big time. Rotating mass & unsprung weight are counter productive to performance, so adding heavy wheels will erase any other small improvements you may do to your car,


depends on priority, trade off looks for performance. Especially when you go 20” & better, manufactures don't spend much time developing performance wheels at all in these sizes, so it is harder to get an inexpensive wheel that is not like trying to accelerate & stop a mass of ballast that will kill performance big time. It's a trade off & comprise at best. Depends on your priorities,
 
threezero said:
Pupp do you have personal experience with AR hence the negative comments?

Pupp got any rims suggestion for around 2000-3000/set?
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Experience with AR? Absolute zero. I was just responding to the additional weight that you posted for the wheel. I saw 60lb/wheel @ 18" and started getting really dizzy. I woke up 5 mins later on the floor with a pink rubber glove on my right hand and Golden Girls on the tv.

Suggestions? I personally would look at something like OZ Ultralegerra or BBS RS-GT. I know that fxlr8 has the OZ. 20s weigh in under 25lbs. Medic on the ORG has the RS-GT I believe and they weigh in @ 20lbs for 19 x 9.5. Both companies make excellent, track proven products and those weights are great for such big wheels. I'm also in the market for new shoes and my goals are reduced weight first, looks second. At the moment I would like to get my hands on a set of the RS-GT @ 19 x 9.5 if possible.

Lets be honest here, the FX is still a 4200lb+ crossover - albeit dynamically a very good one - and the vast majority of them, mine included, will never see a track day ever. So adding an extra 100lbs to it won't do it that much of a disservice I guess. And I would bet my house that 99% of FX drivers wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between an 18" wheel and 100lb less u/s weight vs a 22" wheel and an extra 100lb on all for corners anyways.

With all that said, I understand that you are going for a certain look so get whatever makes you happy. Aesthetics is completely personal. I'm sure the AR will serve you just fine for cruising around whilst improving the aesthetics of your FX to your liking.

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Lol i definately was not inebriated at the time of my last post in the thread.....

I honestly support the fact that everyone has his or her own opinion, those buying the things and those othe people like us, to give our opinions. In cheese's thread, those wheels look like ones mustangs have. and the wheels in this thread are OK looking, and it's true they are heavy as hell blah blah but hey, he's buying 22's, i'm sure he realises they are no lightweights......
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Just yanking your plank mate.

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turbocad6 said:
One way to illustrate wheel weight & effects are, picture taking a broomstick in between your two palms & rolling it back & forth in your palms, spins back & forth easily & quickly, so quickly that you may not even be able to see the stop & reverse action•.


Now picture nailing a frizbee at the top end of the broomstick, added weight will slow down the acceleration & the stopping & reversing...

Now picture a 10 lb. Disc Weight at the top of the broomstick, will take a whole lot more torque & power to try & get this to perform like a frizbee. In the end heavy wheels will negate any other performance enhancements, you can do, add an intake & exhaust & heavy wheels & still accelerate & stop worse than stock...

Heavy wheels are cool for a cruiser but if performance is a priority then they are anti performance big time. Rotating mass & unsprung weight are counter productive to performance, so adding heavy wheels will erase any other small improvements you may do to your car,


depends on priority, trade off looks for performance. Especially when you go 20” & better, manufactures don't spend much time developing performance wheels at all in these sizes, so it is harder to get an inexpensive wheel that is not like trying to accelerate & stop a mass of ballast that will kill performance big time. It's a trade off & comprise at best. Depends on your priorities,
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The F430 Challenge Stradale of wheel posts.
 
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Pupp said:
.... And I would bet my house that 99% of FX drivers wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between an 18" wheel and 100lb less u/s weight vs a 22" wheel and an extra 100lb on all for corners anyways.
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I'd take that bet :tongue:, I bet that you put a set of 18" track wheels on an fx, let the owner drive it around for an hour or so, then swap it out for a set of heavy 22's & let them drive it around again, I think almost anyone would feel the difference & appreciate the improvement the lighter wheels made. is it very huge? no, but it is significant enough that it is def noticable I would think to most...


if you drive it around for a while with the 22's you'll get used to it & it'll be acceptable after a while though to most, especially when you compare the look of the fx on 18" track wheels vs a set of 22's. def a comprimise though... especially considering the small amounts of improvements the average performance mod adds to begin with. I guess one could say mods like an intake or an exhaust are done to make up for the extra ballast of the added wheel weight, like 2 steps foward & one step back..., always gonna be a nice performance improvement with lighter wheels though
 
turbocad6 said:
I'd take that bet :tongue:, I bet that you put a set of 18" track wheels on an fx, let the owner drive it around for an hour or so, then swap it out for a set of heavy 22's & let them drive it around again, I think almost anyone would feel the difference & appreciate the improvement the lighter wheels made. is it very huge? no, but it is significant enough that it is def noticable I would think to most...


if you drive it around for a while with the 22's you'll get used to it & it'll be acceptable after a while though to most, especially when you compare the look of the fx on 18" track wheels vs a set of 22's. def a comprimise though... especially considering the small amounts of improvements the average performance mod adds to begin with. I guess one could say mods like an intake or an exhaust are done to make up for the extra ballast of the added wheel weight, like 2 steps foward & one step back..., always gonna be a nice performance improvement with lighter wheels though
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You and I would notice, and all those enthusiasts that are in tune with their vehicles and that can deliberate between different driving dynamics. But my point is that the average FX owner would not be able to tell a difference. The soccer mum. The milf. The bored surburban housewife. The hollowed out defense attorney. The local meth dealer. Chris Hansen. The aging and burnt out blue chip CEO. My mum.

Because if they could you wouldn't have people putting 40lb+ 22" wheels anywhere near their FX, ever. Exactly for the reasons you state. Because the difference is so great (to me anyways) that any perceived aesthetic improvement from a larger wheel just wouldn't be worth it.

You could use penis enlargement as a fitting analogy. Say that you have an average 6" d1ck. You want it bigger. You could get your d1ck extended and pumped so full of body fat that it hangs 8" flaccid and weighs in at 3lbs. It will look awesome in the shower and will make the girls gasp. But it will never function and never get hard. OR you could just keep your 6" fully functioning d1ck and enjoy the improved performance of the smaller package. Take your pick.
 
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I'm gonna put the 19" M wheels on and see if I notice a difference. If they fit that is.
 
when I took off my rotoras, which use a lighter weight 2 piece rotor with an aluminum hat, & replaced them with the fx50 brakes which use heavy ass rotors, I could def feel a difference in acceleration, maybe 15-20 lbs difference in the rotors, could def feel it though & this is not as bad as rotating mass further out from the center than just rotors, like wheels would be...

I took my new 3 piece wheels apart, the forged center is pretty heavy but the outer barrel, the inner & outer lips of the wheel are super light weight. I can pick up the whole 11" rim without the center with just one pinky... point is, it's not just the weight but it is also compounded by where the weight is on the wheel too. this is comparable to trying to spin that brookstick with a 10lb ball at top vs. a 10lb flat disc, the further from the centerline the weight is the more effect it will have on acceleration & stopping... cheaper wheels will have a lot of mass at the outer barrel of the wheel which just compounds the problem. an extra 20lbs at the outer wheel edge is going to feel like an extra 80 lbs in the trunk as far as acceleration goes, so a set of heavy wheels can feel like you've got an extra 300lbs in the trunk acceleration wise from a standstill... enough to feel for sure to an average enthiusiast...
 
sigh. all these talk is making me seriously re think. On one hand I like the performance right now with the stock 18 but i hate the look...

if i go with the AR, i will have the fx sitting on new shoes within 2 month. however if i do it the proper way and get a set of iforged/HRE etc i might have to wait upward to a year. not the mention good tire in this size is just as expensive.

dilemmas dilemmas...


Once I do get my 22 I do plan to keep the stock 18 as winter and eventually maybe in 2-3 year replace that with a set of 20 ultrallegera as winter wheel
 
get the AR now, save for IF/Hre for later. You can also sell the AR later and keep the tires or get new ones. at least it will look sharp for the ladies:wink:

as for performance, ask yourself how often are you racing or street light racing? the 22 that are heavier will not make a HUGE difference, but for people for want every ounce of power then maybe... IMO.
 
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