What kind of gasoline do you use?

What Gas do you put in your FX?

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Ok, so I put Chevron gasoline in my FX. I think it's good gasoline and much better than Arco. I have a friend who has the "Gas is Gas" mentality. How can I prove to him that "Gas is Gas" is a no go?

Any ideas, let me know. Here is a poll.


do you use:

- Chevron
- Arco
- Mobil
- 76
- Valero
- Shell
 
Beyond popular opinion, I actually find ARCO performs better than all those that I've tried. It's BP though, so thinking about switching
 
I usually Chevron/Texaco. but on a bind or prices are jacked, QT/RaceTrack. I feel guilty using the lower grade stuff. But i read that all the fuel comes from the same refinery, but some companies put additives in while the fuel is transported.
 
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Even those off brand gas has the least amount of additives or cleaners required by state law. brand names tend to research and add different cleaning agents that exceeds the requirements. Personally I do not approve the current trend of adding up to 10% ethanol in gasoline. I use Shell V Power, always have, and sometimes I buy Exxon.
Here's a few things people aren't fully aware of:

when unloading gasoline, if the underground tank for regular gas becomes full and there's gas left in the truck, those delivery guys will just mix it with super unleaded. Also
a person with multiple stores (e.g. a Valero and a shell stations) may order gasoline from the refinery that supplies to Valero but have them deliver the gas to his Shell station.
Now i don't know how much the octane ratings go out of whack in these cases but at least it's a given that even the name brand fuel stations screw around.
 
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I've always played the gasoline game.
I usually use 76 or Mobil. Chevron and Shell are great also. I never use Arco or Valero, (unless in a rental . . . or stolen.)

Something else to keep in mind:

1) Independent gas stations will buy surplus from suppliers of their choice. For example, Mobil (as an example only) will first provide for their franchises. Any surplus, and there generally is one, will go to independents. Because independents are basically on 'stand-by', they may or may not get their first choice delivery. But when they do, they buy the same name brand gas from the same truck as name brand franchises. At the end of the day, "Independent Joe's" may receive Mobile, or their other choice, 76. In my experience, independents usually buy from 2 suppliers, sometimes 3. If you ask, they'll tell you who. Whether they BS you or not is out of my control. Independents are not allowed to advertise the name brand to be fair to franchises. I will gladly purchase from independents that I trust supply quality gas, and occasionally do from two places local to me. Another interesting fact is that the cost of the surplus petrol will fluctuate depending on the amount of surplus. So, with a big surplus, independents pay less, charge less, and therefore offer a better deal. But, when a refinery's surplus is low or nil, cost to independents rises and with supply and demand, the Independent-Joes's price will be higher than the name brand across the street. Whether you use Indepentent-Joe's gas or not, use this as a market indicator. If you see this trend in your geographic region, the price at name brand gas stations will rise in the next 1-6 days.

2) Since I only use 91 octane in my FX, I only buy from highly trafficed gas stations. A less popular station, or maybe even one in certain economic regions, will sell a lesser quantity of premium fuel. With less turnover, you increase your chance of buying stale fuel. Gas does go bad over time and I don't want old gas. This is obviously more of a critical point during major price hikes or rural stations off the beaten path.

Okay, way too much nerdy knowledge here. Sorry to bore you. Fuel and cars are just my thing though. I gonna go have a beer.
 
Pork and Beans said:
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2) Since I only use 91 octane in my FX, I only buy from highly trafficed gas stations. A less popular station, or maybe even one in certain economic regions, will sell a lesser quantity of premium fuel. With less turnover, you increase your chance of buying stale fuel. Gas does go bad over time and I don't want old gas. This is obviously more of a critical point during major price hikes or rural stations off the beaten path.
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Good call.
 
Pork and Beans said:
I've always played the gasoline game.
I usually use 76 or Mobil. Chevron and Shell are great also. I never use Arco or Valero, (unless in a rental . . . or stolen.)

Something else to keep in mind:

1) Independent gas stations will buy surplus from suppliers of their choice. For example, Mobil (as an example only) will first provide for their franchises. Any surplus, and there generally is one, will go to independents. Because independents are basically on 'stand-by', they may or may not get their first choice delivery. But when they do, they buy the same name brand gas from the same truck as name brand franchises. At the end of the day, "Independent Joe's" may receive Mobile, or their other choice, 76. In my experience, independents usually buy from 2 suppliers, sometimes 3. If you ask, they'll tell you who. Whether they BS you or not is out of my control. Independents are not allowed to advertise the name brand to be fair to franchises. I will gladly purchase from independents that I trust supply quality gas, and occasionally do from two places local to me. Another interesting fact is that the cost of the surplus petrol will fluctuate depending on the amount of surplus. So, with a big surplus, independents pay less, charge less, and therefore offer a better deal. But, when a refinery's surplus is low or nil, cost to independents rises and with supply and demand, the Independent-Joes's price will be higher than the name brand across the street. Whether you use Indepentent-Joe's gas or not, use this as a market indicator. If you see this trend in your geographic region, the price at name brand gas stations will rise in the next 1-6 days.

2) Since I only use 91 octane in my FX, I only buy from highly trafficed gas stations. A less popular station, or maybe even one in certain economic regions, will sell a lesser quantity of premium fuel. With less turnover, you increase your chance of buying stale fuel. Gas does go bad over time and I don't want old gas. This is obviously more of a critical point during major price hikes or rural stations off the beaten path.

Okay, way too much nerdy knowledge here. Sorry to bore you. Fuel and cars are just my thing though. I gonna go have a beer.
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Never thought of stale fuel. Good info.

The beer must have been good. It was way too hot yesterday.
 
i only put named brand gas. i always put chevron cause it right by my house and its a name brand . i put citgo one day and my fx starting knockin .
 
Buy USA?

I almost alway's use Shell Premium because we have few other acceptable options up here in Big Bear but after reading the info below about where the oil comes from I am thinking maybe a change is in order. Any recomendations on any of the companies that do not use foreign oil?

Here are some large companies that DO NOT import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco……………………..0 barrels
Conoco…………………….0 barrels
0ASinclair…………………..0 barrels
BP / Phillips……………. 0 barrels
Hess…………………………0 barrels
ARC0……………………….0 barrels
Maverick…………………..0 barrels
Flying J……………………0 barrels
Valero……………………..0 barrels
Murphy Oil USA…… *0 barrels

Here are the ones that DO!
Shell………………………………. 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco………………… 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil……………………. 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway………….. 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco……………………………. 62,231,000 barrels

And CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez’s regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)

The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do the math at $100 per barrel, that’s over $550 million PER DAY ($200 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!! It won’t stop here – oil prices could go to $200 a barrel or higher if we keep buying their product.

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Some more info on gas---

The United States Environmental Protection Agency -(EPA) introduced the minimum gasoline detergent standard 1 in 1995 and soon after most gasoline marketers who had previously provided higher levels of detergents reduced the concentration level of detergents in commercial gasoline to meet the new standard. Whether the higher detergent levels were necessary remains disputed. The levels required are necessary to meet emissions standards but not engine longevity standards.
In 2004 BMW -joined the consortium in 2007.
Gas brands can participate and get Top Tier listing if they meet certain standards.

TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline Retailers
Gasoline retailers must meet the high TOP TIER standards with all grades of gasoline to be approved by the automakers as providing TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline.
In addition, all gasoline outlets carrying the brand of the approved retailer must meet the TOP TIER standards.
Additional gasoline retailers are added to the TOP TIER list as they meet the standards. The retailers known to be on the TOP TIER list are shown below.
TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:\
76Petro-Canada
Aloha Petroleum
Phillips 66
Chevron
QuikTrip
Chevron Canada
Rebel Oil
Conoco
Road Ranger
CountryMark
Severson Oil
Entec Stations
Shell
Esso
Shell Canada
Exxon
Sunoco Canada
Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
Texaco
MFA Oil Co.
The Somerset Refinery,
Inc.Mileage Stations
Tri-Par Oil Co.
Mobil
Turkey Hill
Minit Markets
U.S. Oil
 
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Myddive said:
I live in Southern Cal is there any place to get 93 octane? Or are we doomed to buy additives?
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No 93 but there are some with 100 see blending chart below:

http://www.osbornauto.com/racing/100locations.htm

Also:

SoCal 100 Octane pump gas - List of locations
Here you go fellas, want race gas in containers or at the pump? Lets see if we can make this a sticky. Always nice to throw a few gallons in the tank View attachment 211236

(and if you need the blending calculator http://www.ranney.com/mjr/fuel_blend.html)


Fullerton
Mark's 76
2043 W Commonwealth Ave. (cross of Gilbert) Between Magnolia and Brookhurst, north of I-5 and 91 Fwy.
(714) 278-0986
Open 24 hours
100 octane unleaded at the pump @ 6.99 (4/18/2007)


Bellflower
Bellflower 76 Service
16719 Lakewood Blvd. Bellflower (562) 633-9176
100 octane in barrels @ 10.00 a gallon (4/18/2007)
110 octane LEADED in barrels @ 10.00 a gallon (4/18/2007)


Huntington Beach
Huntington Beach Car Wash
18971 Beach Blvd near Garfield Ave. (714) 847-4924
Hours: 8 AM - 5 PM, 7 days a week.
100 octane VP Racing at the pump @ 5.89 (4/18/2007)
Pump is padlocked because that pump doesn't have an ATM reader. You'll need to pay inside.

Indio
Clark's Travel Center
82-253 Indio Blvd. (Exit Indio Blvd off I-10) (760) 342-4776
http://www.clarkstravelcenter.com/
Sunoco 100 unleaded at the pump @ 6.19 a gallon (4/18/2007)
Sunoco 110 leaded racing fuelView attachment 211237 at the pump @ 5.99 a gallon (4/18/2007) Open 24 hours

Laguna Hills
76 Station
25172 Cabot Rd. (near La Paz) (949) 770-8300
101 octane unleaded at the pump @ 8.99 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Los Angeles
RioView attachment 211237 Petroleum 76
11675 W. Pico Blvd. (cross of Barrington) (310) 477-6144
100 octane unleaded VP fuel at the pump @ 8.49 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Los Angeles
Brentwood 76
12037 San Vicente Blvd. (cross of Bundy) (310) 476-4818
100 octane unleaded fuel at the pump @ 7.89 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Newport Beach
Newport Hills 76
2690 San Miguel Rd. (949) 644-7151
Hours: 6 AM - 10 PM, 7 AM - 10 PM on Sundays.
100 octane unleaded fuel at the pump @ 7.99 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Norco
Mark's 76
2807 Hamner Ave. (1/2 mile north of Second St. exit from I-15) (951) 278-2330
Hours: 5:30 AM to 10:30 PM
100 octane unleaded at the pump @ 6.97 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Orange
Mitchell's Auto, " The Pit Stop "
700 Chapman Ave. (714) 532-5900
100 octane unleaded at the pump @ 7.35 a gallon (4/18/2007)
110 octane leaded at the pump @ 7.05 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Pasadena
Arroyo Parkway 76
155 E. Glenarm St. (626) 441-3392
South of California Blvd. between Fair Oaks and Los Robles where the 110 Fwy ends
Hours: 6:00 AM to 10:00 PM
100 octane unleaded at pump @ 6.49 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Pomona
Phillips Ranch 76
16 Village Loop Rd. (909) 623-2429
Hours: 5:30 AM to 9:00 PM
100 octane unleaded at pump @ 7.49 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Rancho Santa Fe (near Encinitas off I-5)
VP Racing fuels
6089 La Flecha 858-756-2929
VP racing fuel 100 octane at the pump @ 6.99 a gallon (4/18/2007)

San Marino
Huntington 76
2390 Huntington Drive (626) 286-6030
100 octane unleaded at pump (unconfirmed) (4/18/2007)

West Covina
South Hills 76
150 S. Citrus Ave. (626) 339-8018
100 octane unleaded at pump @ 6.95 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Rosamond
(unconfirmed) Willow Springs Race Way (road track)
http://www.willowspringsraceway.com/home/home.asp
$10 gate fee during weekend events.

Bakersfield
(unconfirmed) Buttonwillow Raceway (road track) http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com/
(located 28 miles northwest of Bakersfield off I-5) $10 gate fee during weekend events.

Downey
Socal Performance
9723 Washburn Road. Downey, CA 90241
(562) 862-9122
Open Mon-Fri; Saturday mornings (Call)
Lowest grade they carry is
108 Octane @ 6.75 per gallon. (4/18/2007)
114 oct @ 7.50 per gallon (4/18/2007)
121 oct @ 8.00 per gallon (4/18/2007)

Socal Performance *Updated 6/21/06
9723 Washburn Road ()
Downey, CA 90241
(562) 862-9122 Open Mon-Fri 8:30AM-5PM; Saturday mornings (Call)
Lowest grade they carry is Leaded 108 Octane @ 5.50 per gallon. (Awesome price!).
You provide your own container or buy their 5 gal container for $22.10.
They also carry Methanol:
2.50 per gallon (you provide container)
38.00 per 5 gallon container.

Orme Brothers Inc. *Updated 5/3/06
18453 Parthenia Pl. ()
Northridge, CA 91325
(877) 676-3277 (877-ORMEBRS)
103 Octane @ $47.50 per 5 gallon sealed containers
They also carry Methanol:
$35.00 per 5 gallon sealed containers

Manning Fuel Inc. (Verified 5/4/06)
8407 Tujunga Ave ()
Sun Valley, Ca 91352
(818) 767-FUEL
8AM-5PM Mon-Fri; Closed Sat.
Octane Levels of 103 thru 117
5 Gallon Jugs from $25.00 - 52.57
30 Gallon Barrel from $207-270
55 Gallon Barrel from $340-518
Methanol:
5 gal can 25.45
30 gal drum 124.20
55 gal drum 189.38

Laguna Express Car Wash - *Thanks boataholic
25172 CABOT RD
Laguna Hills, CA 92653
Confirmed 100 Octane Pump Gas $7.99 on 1/1/07 ()

Blue Star Gas & Mart *Updated 4/24/07 - ()
2155 S. Euclid Ave.()
Ontario, CA North Euclid off the 60FWY @ E. Philadelphia St.
(909) 395-9389
100 Octane = $6.99

VP Racing Fuels *Updated 4/24/07 - ()
34281 Monte Vista Rd.()
Wildomar, CA Between Bundy Canyon and Baxter Rd. off the 15 FWY.
(951) 674-9167
100 Octane = $6.99

Agoura 76
28203 Dorothy Dr. ()
Agoura Hills (818) 991-6241

Bellflower 76 Service
16719 Lakewood Blvd. ()
Bellflower, CA (562) 633-9176
(Verified, 100+ Octane but not pump. Sold in 5gal ($8/per gallon 'fill your own container'-$50.00/per 5 gallon pail if you don't bring your own container & 55gal barrel/$440.00) updated 4/11/06.

Downs Oil Co. (Verified as of 6/28/05)
1296 Magnolia ()
Corona, CA 92879 (909) 737-3421 or 888-910-3835
-Sunoco 110 Leaded Racing Gas - $3.50 a gallon
-Sunoco 122 Leaded Racing Gas - $4.50 a gallon
-Sunoco Methyl Alcohol - $3.00 a gallon
http://www.downs4fuel.com/dcfracing.htm

Huntington Beach Car Wash
18971 Beach Blvd. ()
Huntington Bch. (714) 847-4924
(Verified $5.89 100 Octane Pump)

Mark's 76
(714) 278-0986
2043 W Commonwealth Ave. (cross street Gilbert) ()
Fullerton, CA 92833
(Verified $7.69 100 Octane Pump) * Price updated 1/11/08

Mitchell's Auto, The Pit Stop
700 Chapman Ave.
Orange, CA (714) 532-5900
100 Oct unleaded and 110 Oct leaded @ the pump
()

Huntington 76
2390 Huntington Drive
San Marino, CA (626) 286-6030
100 Oct unleaded @ the pump
()

J & R Shell
1808 White Ave.
La Verne, CA (909) 593-7015

Brentwood 76 Service
12037 San Vicente Blvd. (cross street Bundy) ()
Los Angeles,CA (310) 476-4818
(Verified $6.45 100 Octane Pump)

Graham 76 Service
2690 San Miguel Rd. ()
(405 to 73 New Port to Mac Aurthur Left Anita, Right Prarie in Pavillion Shopping Center)
Newport Bch., CA (949) 644-7151
(Verified $5.49 100 Octane Pump as of 3-1-06)

Mike's 76 Station (Verified)
100- Octane 5.99/gallon
2807 Hamner Ave - (951) 278-2330

F&L Racing Fuel
111 Lead Octane
corner of Engineer road and La Mirada
Vista California
$5.06 gallon

Southern Counties Oil *
1825 W. Collins
Orange, CA (714) 744-7140

Smokey's Auto Parts Speed (Verified)
1602 S Coast Hwy ()
Oceanside, CA 92054
Sunoco 100 Octane

Arroyo Parkway 76 End of freeway 110
155 E. Glenarm ()
Pasadena, CA (626) 441-3392
(Verified was $5.99 100 Octane Pump NOW $6.19 as of 4-11-06; $6.49 per gallon as of 3-5-07)

Phillips Ranch 76
16 Village Loop Rd. ()
Pomona, CA (909) 623-2429
(Verified $5.35 100 Octane Pump)

S.T. Motorsports (Verified )
346 S. I Street Unit #8
San Bernardino CA 92410
(909)388-2536

Cosby Oil Co. (Verified 1/1/07)
6220 Fairmount Ave.
San Diego, CA (619) 280-6884
Cardlock gas station-you can only get gas if you have a credit account with them. They carry various racing gas. ()

JBA Racing ·
VP Race Fuel
5155 Convoy Street
San Diego, CA 92111
Local: (858) 495-3395
Toll Free: (888) JBA-5570
Fax: (858) 495-0954

SKS (Verified)
1730 W. Mission Rd. ()
Escondido, CA 92029
(858)530-1193; 714-533-1379; 1-800-564-0744
F & L 110 Leaded Octane Pump @ $6.08 *Verified 3-5-07


Cosby Oil Co. (Verified)
12902 E. Park St. ()
Santa Fe Springs, CA (562) 946-4404
www.cosbyoil.com
(6.53/per gallon if you provide your own container ($32.65/5gal your own container))
(8.03/per gallon if you buy their 5 gallon pail ($40.15/5gal pail))
(6.93 per gallon/55 gallon drums ($381.15/55gal))
They will drop ship the 55 gal drums and credit you 20.00 when drums are empty and they come pick it up.) updated 4/11/06.

76 - 100 octane (verified)
Pico & Barrington ()
Santa Monica, Ca
$9.45/gal 100 octane

Alliance Gas Station
Sherman Mini Market Verified (4-19-06)
16103 Sherman Way, ()
Van Nuys, CA 91406
(818) 780-8209
Closes at 10PM!

Playa Vista 76
8300 Lincoln Blvd ()
Westchester, CA (310) 649-4683
(Verified $8.75 105 Octane; $7.50 111 Leaded; $9.25 Leaded 118)

Santa Ana Speed Center
120 S. Broadway St. ()
Westchester, CA (714) 835-6424
(Verified $36.50 5gal/100 Octane; $46.85 5gal/105 Octane; $41.80 5gal/118 Octane) No pump/Only 5 Gal F&L tanks.

Kahn 76 Service
150 S. Citrus ()
West Covina, CA (626) 339-8018
(Verified 100 Oct at $6.05)

Woodland Hills, Texaco ()
101 Octane @ $5.60 per gallon pump.
Woodland Hills, CA. Northwest corner of DeSoto and Van Owen

Quick Trip *Updated 2/08/07
596 N Mollison Ave El Cajon, CA 92021
(619)441-3340
100 octane pump gas for $6.99/per gallon.

O.C. Motorsports *Updated 2/08/07
1901 East Edinger Ave. Santa Ana, CA 92705
(714)429-9200
107 LEADED VP Race Fuel $44.00/per 5 gallon containers ONLY.

Chevron Station? *Updated 1/17/08
3804 Ingraham St. San Diego, CA 92109
100 octane VP Racing Gas at the pump. $7.29 a gallon
 
Fantastic information from the Mountain Man! Is't good to know what's going on in the world petroleum market.

Many years ago, when I was more into hot rodding, my friends would all buy their race gas from the local airport. At least back then, it was high octane and the added antifreeze for aircraft never affected automobile preformance or engine longevity. I don't know what has changed in the last 15 years for aircraft fuel. The drawback was that you couldn't drive your car on the tarmac to the fuel, so gas cans were lugged. (Find a small airport with an short lugging distance.) If you go through the burden, you'll get high octane at half the price of street pumps selling race fuel at super inflated prices.
 
trainerKEN said:
where's Costco gas? :tongue (2):
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According to COSTCO they buy only Top Teir Gas from various companies that are top tier suppliers--Wherever they can get the best prices.

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On a side note I make it a practice to never buy gas at a station where I see a tanker truck fueling the Station because if there is any crap in their tanks at all it would be stirred up and your risk of getting some contaminated fuel is greater.
Also it is recomended to get your fuel when it's cooler outside like first thing in the morning as there is less expansion of the fuel so you should get a little more fore your money.
Also putting the fill nozzle on the highest flow setting will cause more vapors to be retreived from your tank while fueling so using a slower feed into tank will give you a little more for your money as well.
Keeping your tank full also helps as this wiil have less room in your tank for vapors that evaporate t0 accumulate in tank.
 
The fuel is metered at the pump, and the customer is charged by the "gallon". Fuel expanding in the vehicle's tank won't affect the price you pay per gallon.

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So many myths around the subject of gas.
It's all BS, & probably all comes from the same sources.
One thing we all know for certain is that Microsoft sucks balls. Go KIN!
 
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