jimwolf TT vs. Stillen S/C

everything rookie said, as far as increased cooling & increased monitoring is def the way to go. at what vinny told you he's not going to be doing "some building" of the motor, that's just the tt on the stock block, which is fine as long as it's tuned good & boost is kept in check.

the 2 grand your talking about will be eaten up with the extras that your talking about. theres no small things that can be done to "build up" the motor a little. to do anything to the motor your looking at pulling the motor out, at a bare minimum replacing the pistons for forged. once your in there most will do more, but that's a bare minimum, no way that's included in the price vinny gave you, that's well over 2k by itself & this is what building the motor a little would be, there's nothing short of that that will help much & once your doing that, there is so much more that should be done too... building the motor can get real pricey...
 
turbocad6 said:
keep in mind that in order to do high 12's will take a lot more than just a jwtt, the motor itself is a limiting factor. the stock engine is good to around 400hp or so, to see the kind of #'s that rookie see's will def need a built motor to be able to really take advantage of that tt setup, forget 8K, your looking over 20k to see hp #'s over 500. a jwtt on a stock block will be detuned to keep it from popping. a stock motored fx with a jwtt might be a high 13 second car, still very respectable...
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Ah I'm with you.

Yes I agree, high 13s wouldn't be too bad for just the JWT investment.
 
fxlr8 said:
I don't think stock 35's are in the 15's
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My bad, I had read this somewhere but now I see that it did indeed have basic bolt-ons.

5. BIGTURK --FX35 --AWD --05 --NA --Bolt Ons --15.73 & NA / 87.55 & NA --2.320 --Verified --Street --Stock 18" --EnglishTown, NJ

That makes the decision a little more complex. $6K vs $8K. Mid 14s vs high 13s.

Is one option known to be far more reliable than the other?
 
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personally I choose a supercharger over the tt, NOT because it's better though really. with a supercharger it's set boost, set cfm's, that's it, there isn't much more room for growth, it is what it is, where, with a tt, there is just sooo much more potential that you just can't tap because of the limitations of the motor itself. if you have adjustable boost on the fly it's harder to find restraint, you can easily with the twist of a knob or the press of a few buttons make more & more power till it just goes pop. you've got to know when enough is enough where a supercharger is different in that regard.

I would have always felt like I wasn't seeing the real potential of the tt & I know that I would eventually want to build the motor too. that is a major expense & in the end I figured a supercharger would limit my wants & desires there, so I guess I choose a supercharger mainly to restrict myself, if that makes any sense to anyone but me I don't know:tongue:
 
Pupp said:
Is one option known to be far more reliable than the other?
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In the stock shape (no built engines etc), I think Stillen will be more reliable than JWT because it's pushing much less air into the engine and their supercharger type (Roots) would be more reliable as well (no seals to leak oil, spinning slower etc).
 
question is... how are you going to use that power and how often are you going to use it?

I have had my stillen for over 2 years without one issue, noise is the only. I actually took the stillen once out because I thought what's the point of having this when I only really used it once back in 1996 at a drag strip in socal..... After feeling the stock power again I put it back on, this time stage 4. Since putting it back on I haven't done anything that needed stage 4, track events...nada.

I think the only justification in going all out and spending gobs of money is if you plan on tracking the car....or entering in events where you can somehow earn your $$ back or at least awards. Just doing it for being the quickest on the streets is for teenagers with a death wish..(I was there once and almost died in my CRX:frown: at 19, while my wife was pregnant)

My wrx wagon has enough power for me when I need it and handles better for the power it produces..


If I could do it all over again I would of just got an FX50s hehe... all the above is my opinion only.
 
jbaker1121 said:
oh yeah and the reason it's 8K for me is because the proginal deal he gave me was a used TT with 1000 miles on it plus BBK....usually would be around 12K....forgot to mention that.
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Eh? Well that changes everything then.

Stillen SC
$6K
Mid 14s
More reliable

JWT
$12K
High 13s
Less reliable

I understand that the JWT offers more potential but I am just taking the results out of the box so to speak. What you would expect to see from just the packages themselves without added mods.

Now that I have more info I would go the Stillen SC route.
 
fxlr8 said:
question is... how are you going to use that power and how often are you going to use it?

I have had my stillen for over 2 years without one issue, noise is the only. I actually took the stillen once out because I thought what's the point of having this when I only really used it once back in 1996 at a drag strip in socal..... After feeling the stock power again I put it back on, this time stage 4. Since putting it back on I haven't done anything that needed stage 4, track events...nada.

I think the only justification in going all out and spending gobs of money is if you plan on tracking the car....or entering in events where you can somehow earn your $$ back or at least awards. Just doing it for being the quickest on the streets is for teenagers with a death wish..(I was there once and almost died in my CRX:frown: at 19, while my wife was pregnant)

My wrx wagon has enough power for me when I need it and handles better for the power it produces..


If I could do it all over again I would of just got an FX50s hehe... all the above is my opinion only.
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amen, how much is enough? my only goal was to make it as quick or quicker than a 45, just to have some balls. is it ever "fast enough"? no such thing, but, like said above, how much do you really want or need? I did consider going all out & making a real beast out of it, but then reality check set in, I want a daily driver, back & forth to work, home depot whatever, to spend 25K or better just so I can then have enough power to start breaking the rest of the drivetrain? been there done that, it was & can still be much fun, but again, what is it that you really want?
 
turbocad6 said:
amen, how much is enough? my only goal was to make it as quick or quicker than a 45, just to have some balls. is it ever "fast enough"? no such thing, but, like said above, how much do you really want or need? I did consider going all out & making a real beast out of it, but then reality check set in, I want a daily driver, back & forth to work, home depot whatever, to spend 25K or better just so I can then have enough power to start breaking the rest of the drivetrain? been there done that, it was & can still be much fun, but again, what is it that you really want?
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I agree 100%. Just buy a new 350Z or WRX as a second car with that $25K.
 
personaly, with restraint, I wouldn't dismiss the jwtt as less reliable to be honest, yeah, there are more potential problem areas, but not to the point of being unreliable if installed well.


also, since were on the subject, before thinking about the stillen sc, you really HAVE to hear one, in person, to make sure you can live with what it sounds like.... it is very very loud to say the least, the jwtt is probably worth the extra $$$ just for what it sounds like over the stillen:tongue:
 
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so yeah i did the appropriate math....
if i get all those extras....this is the approx. total
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JWT TT + BBK + install= --------------------------- however much it costs
-PWR Radiator-----------PWR5646 Infiniti G35 ------ |$629.00
-Camp2 monitoring system--------48001-AK001 CAMP2 -|$535.00
44999-AK011 Temp. Sensor and Harness Set -------- -|$61.97
44999-AK021 boost Pressure Sensor and Harness Set-- |$133.97
-Innovative Wideband------------------------------- |$199.00
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Total:approx: around 12K


and yeah what you guys are talking about ^^^^
I'm actually planning on going to the track and stuff once it's all said and done, so it's not like its just to have the meanest fx on the streets. But then again.....a TT FX is pretty Ballin' just to say you have it haha. But yeah i know I'm a teen, and i know i want to go fast, but i control myself when it's necessary. I may even represent VinnyTen at local shows so we'll see what happens..........................

again, if anyone has any ideas let me know
 
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turbocad6 said:
personaly, with restraint, I wouldn't dismiss the jwtt as less reliable to be honest, yeah, there are more potential problem areas, but not to the point of being unreliable if installed well.


also, since were on the subject, before thinking about the stillen sc, you really HAVE to hear one, in person, to make sure you can live with what it sounds like.... it is very very loud to say the least, the jwtt is probably worth the extra $$$ just for what it sounds like over the stillen:tongue:
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+1 on both points.. Stillen is loud and not in a good tone. JWT will be expensive unless you can find a deal. I had a deal for it installed (new) at $8000 once but not sure if that's valid anymore..
 
I checked around & the jwtt can be had installed for anywhere between the 8 & 9k range, that's out of the box complete stock jwt setup though, if you want to really do the fuel right & step the management system up to something good your talking $$$ there too...
 
jbaker1121 said:
so yeah i did the appropriate math....
if i get all those extras....this is the approx. total
________________________________________________________
JWT TT + BBK + install= --------------------------- |$8,000.00
-PWR Radiator-----------PWR5646 Infiniti G35 ------ |$629.00
-Camp2 monitoring system--------48001-AK001 CAMP2 -|$535.00
44999-AK011 Temp. Sensor and Harness Set -------- -|$61.97
44999-AK021 boost Pressure Sensor and Harness Set-- |$133.97
-Innovative Wideband------------------------------- |$199.00
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Total:approx |$9558.94

but it may just bump up to $10K with the extra install time.......
and yeah what you guys are talking about ^^^^
I'm actually planning on going to the track and stuff once it's all said and done, so it's not like its just to have the meanest fx on the streets. But then again.....a TT FX is pretty Ballin' just to say you have it haha. But yeah i know I'm a teen, and i know i want to go fast, but i control myself when it's necessary. I may even represent VinnyTen at local shows so we'll see what happens..........................

again, if anyone has any ideas let me know
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what about the valve body or other drivetrain needs?
 
he may put a tranny cooler, but I doubt he's gonna just throw in a valve body. the tt setup does include the basics to get it to work on the car, but it doesn't include all the rest of the supporting stuff that should be done, like exhaust, valve body & stuff like that... it can work with everything else stock but again, then were going back to it's potential vs what it would need to be detuned to live...
 
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