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[raymond]

yeah, most will recommend by the book & only go with conservative recommendations...

I have to deal a lot with these guys for my work. Even manufactures and wholsale companies. Point is that often we ( the clients ) sort out much more for fitments and more experiance in mounting them and knowing what will fit or not.
That combined with the will of the salesperson to help you out to go for the maximum, depens on what result you'll get.
Often these salesperson sit behind there computer all day and only look into stock etc... and many wheel/tyre dealers as well don't have the experiance for certain cars.

Turbo you know what i'm talking about. Even with parts from infiniti these stockguys often don't have a clue what we want and what we are going to do with it.

On the other hand i know and understand also that these guys sometimes have to protect themselves. Some clients have no idea about fitments and wheel/tyre combinations. Often read something in a magazine and want te same not knowing that the whole car is modifid to fit them. Then when these companies sell the wheels expecting the client to know what he is doing get a call later on from a mad client telling them it doesn't fit and he wants to send them back.

In the beginning of my bussines i had a lot of discussions when ordering certain sizes. They also didn't advise and didn't want to deliver. But now they just know that i will make it happen anyway and just send them to me no matter what.

It just depends on how much experiance you have with certain things in any branche.

 

[Toncruse]

I totally understand, I just went through that. I was talking to the same guy on the phone over a period of 3 weeks. Everytime I read something here on the forum it just gave me more momentum to ask for what I wanted. Your experiences were mine. Fortunately this last time I got someone different on the phone who actually did some measurement figuring, not just looking in a book and telling me whats safe.

 

[Toncruse]

I have to deal a lot with these guys for my work. Even manufactures and wholsale companies. Point is that often we ( the clients ) sort out much more for fitments and more experiance in mounting them and knowing what will fit or not.
That combined with the will of the salesperson to help you out to go for the maximum, depens on what result you'll get.
Often these salesperson sit behind there computer all day and only look into stock etc... and many wheel/tyre dealers as well don't have the experiance for certain cars.

Turbo you know what i'm talking about. Even with parts from infiniti these stockguys often don't have a clue what we want and what we are going to do with it.

On the other hand i know and understand also that these guys sometimes have to protect themselves. Some clients have no idea about fitments and wheel/tyre combinations. Often read something in a magazine and want te same not knowing that the whole car is modifid to fit them. Then when these companies sell the wheels expecting the client to know what he is doing get a call later on from a mad client telling them it doesn't fit and he wants to send them back.

In the beginning of my bussines i had a lot of discussions when ordering certain sizes. They also didn't advise and didn't want to deliver. But now they just know that i will make it happen anyway and just send them to me no matter what.

It just depends on how much experiance you have with certain things in any branche.

Ray

I purchased the 22" Lexani LSS 10, 10 inch with a +40 offset wrapped with Yokohama Parada Spec X 285-35-22. Anyway the wheel was going to hit the caliper, about 2-3mm. I called the shop where purchased and told them to give me a call tomorrow just so we can discuss options, return, replace, pay for spacer, etc. I really like the way the wheel looks, but Im wondering if I decide to go with spacers how big can I go; 10mm, 15mm, 25mm without rubbing the fenders?

 

[EG3]

Here's a good calculator you can use to find out what offset/spacer will work. It explains and visualizes as well..
http://www.wheelsmaster.com/rt_specs.jsp

I'd say if you get more than 25 mm out of the stock size, you're risking rubbing. On the other side, 285/35 will be a pretty stretched tire so it might work fine as well.

 

[raymond]

On the other side, 285/35 will be a pretty stretched tire so it might work fine as well.

Don't know about that ege... as yokohama's tend to bulg a lot. Friend of mine bought them in 20" after driving with Dunlops and was a huge difference.

Further Ton i honestly do not have the experiance till wich size you can go without rubbing as i did my fenders before mounting any different wheels.
Keep i mind that with spacers you have to choose. 5 mm is not much but maybe just that little extra what you are looking for and you do not have to change your studs.

10,15 and even 20 ( i think) you can only use with longer studs. Maybe the OEM wheels with 20mm can be mounted cause of the clearance between the pcd on the back, but with the Lexani's i don't think so.

25mm can be mounted as a bolt on kit. The nuts will sink enough into the thikness of the spacers,but 25mm will be far to wide for your lexani setup.

So when not willing to change your studs i'll go with the 5mm.

 

[EG3]

Don't know about that ege... as yokohama's tend to bulg a lot. Friend of mine bought them in 20" after driving with Dunlops and was a huge difference.

Ray, he's using 10" wide rims. That's only about .5" less than yours. It should stretch. It bulges a little on my 285/35/22s but my rims are 22x9 only.

 

[raymond]

Ray, he's using 10" wide rims. That's only about .5" less than yours. It should stretch. It bulges a little on my 285/35/22s but my rims are 22x9 only.

Ohhh you have the yokohama's on as well haven't you....?? I seam to have forgotten about that..... :eeerr: Sorry bud

then you will have more experiance with it then i do. I only can remember the 20" from that friend of mine. Still a hugh difference with dunlop though. That's why i always look what style the client wants first. When it has to be on the ground with very wide wheels, then yokohama and bridgestone aren't my friends

 

[EG3]

Ton,

With the setup you have now, your tires should stick out about 10mm more than stock. I know for sure that stockers with 20mm spacers doesn't rub and your overall tire+wheel size is smaller and stretchier than stock. If you want and aggressive look, you can go with 10-15 mm on the fronts and 5-10 mm on the rear. If you want to be on the safe side and want to put priority to clear calipers, go with 10 mm max (10mm all around or 10mm on fronts & 5 mm at the rears). If you want to get them more flush with fenders, just increase that by 5mm.

As Ray said, 5mm spacers won't probably need new studs. If that's the case, going with 5mm ones would be good enough, IMO.

PS: I might do spacers as well. The 275/40/20 tires on my stockers make them look too tucked in now.

 

[raymond]

Ton,

With the setup you have now, your tires should stick out about 10mm more than stock.

Ege isn't his set up 25 mm wider then stock. He has got 10" width an offset of +40. OEM is 8" with an offset of +40 as well.
So 2 inch wider devided by 2 (half-half cause of the same offset ) is 25mm.

I checked your calculator cause you made me doubt but it's true. So this setup would already be max without rubbing as you say on 25mm max to OEM being the max.

 

[EG3]

Ege isn't his set up 25 mm wider then stock. He has got 10" width an offset of +40. OEM is 8" with an offset of +40 as well.
So 2 inch wider devided by 2 (half-half cause of the same offset ) is 25mm.

I checked your calculator cause you made me doubt but it's true. So this setup would already be max without rubbing as you say on 25mm max to OEM being the max.

His tires would take out some of that 25mm extension that his 10" rims would create.

For instance, I have stock rims on now but with 275/40/20 tires = more bulge, less sideways clearance. If I run 25mm spacers now I might rub whereas someone using 265/50 might not. After some gap is filled, it depends up to the tire bulge really. Some other calculators don't factor the tire amount so they say 2" = 50 mm and 50/2 = 25mm but that's not really correct. When you go 10" rim on 285, you lose some of the tire bulge you get from stockers and your tires become flush with rims. You can go 5-10 mm more with a setup like this.

All aside, we're really talking conservatively. You really rub only after +25 offset on 10" rims at the back.. So running 15mm fronts and 10mm rears with 10" rims and 285/35s shouldn't rub and it'd look aggressive. Safe side is 10mm front, 5mm rears OR 5mm all over.

 

[Toncruse]

His tires would take out some of that 25mm extension that his 10" rims would create.

For instance, I have stock rims on now but with 275/40/20 tires = more bulge, less sideways clearance. If I run 25mm spacers now I might rub whereas someone using 265/50 might not. After some gap is filled, it depends up to the tire bulge really. Some other calculators don't factor the tire amount so they say 2" = 50 mm and 50/2 = 25mm but that's not really correct. When you go 10" rim on 285, you lose some of the tire bulge you get from stockers and your tires become flush with rims. You can go 5-10 mm more with a setup like this.

All aside, we're really talking conservatively. You really rub only after +25 offset on 10" rims at the back.. So running 15mm fronts and 10mm rears with 10" rims and 285/35s shouldn't rub and it'd look aggressive. Safe side is 10mm front, 5mm rears OR 5mm all over.

Ok guys thanks, from what I gathered here I should go 15 front, 10 rear, I should be fine. I will probably go 10mm all the way around. Thanks

 

[raymond]

Jup ege, you got a point there...!! ;-)

I always calculate when i mounting and messuring 3-piece wheels and then mostly use strechted tyres so for me that theory isn't that important. But you are right about it though. I think espcially this theory is neccasary to keep in mind on SUV applications as these tyres are always pritty big and bulg/stretched more then thinner tyres.

 

[Toncruse]

His tires would take out some of that 25mm extension that his 10" rims would create.

For instance, I have stock rims on now but with 275/40/20 tires = more bulge, less sideways clearance. If I run 25mm spacers now I might rub whereas someone using 265/50 might not. After some gap is filled, it depends up to the tire bulge really. Some other calculators don't factor the tire amount so they say 2" = 50 mm and 50/2 = 25mm but that's not really correct. When you go 10" rim on 285, you lose some of the tire bulge you get from stockers and your tires become flush with rims. You can go 5-10 mm more with a setup like this.

All aside, we're really talking conservatively. You really rub only after +25 offset on 10" rims at the back.. So running 15mm fronts and 10mm rears with 10" rims and 285/35s shouldn't rub and it'd look aggressive. Safe side is 10mm front, 5mm rears OR 5mm all over.

Eg3

I was looking back at our earlier chats when you and Ray talked me out of the spideros...lol. Looking at your post again, you talked about 15mm spacers in the front max, but if I trim the fenders then can I go out to 20mm safely. Im asking because Im motivated to make those fx50 brakes to fit in the front. BTW, do you know of anyone running 22X10 with that big of a spacer? Looking at my current setup with 10mm the going out to 20mm another .39 of an inch should be ok. Last resort it to get another customed spacer. Thanks

Ton

 

[EG3]

Eg3

I was looking back at our earlier chats when you and Ray talked me out of the spideros...lol. Looking at your post again, you talked about 15mm spacers in the front max, but if I trim the fenders then can I go out to 20mm safely. Im asking because Im motivated to make those fx50 brakes to fit in the front. BTW, do you know of anyone running 22X10 with that big of a spacer? Looking at my current setup with 10mm the going out to 20mm another .39 of an inch should be ok. Last resort it to get another customed spacer. Thanks

Ton

Ton, honestly I'd say I was less educated back then.. There are people running 25mm spacers over their stock wheels which comes up to a 15mm offset. Unless you have a good amount of bulge (with 285/30s you wouldn't), I think you won't rub.. What was the offsets of your current wheels?

 

[Toncruse]

Ton, honestly I'd say I was less educated back then.. There are people running 25mm spacers over their stock wheels which comes up to a 15mm offset. Unless you have a good amount of bulge (with 285/30s you wouldn't), I think you won't rub.. What was the offsets of your current wheels?

I think its 40, but I needed the 10mm spacer to fit the front, but did not need any to fit the rear. Also im 285/35/22X10

 

[raymond]

I think its 40, but I needed the 10mm spacer to fit the front, but did not need any to fit the rear. Also im 285/35/22X10

No problems for the front with your setup +10mm spacers ton. Rears i can't be sure but think it can be done without doing the fenders as well.

Wich brand of tyres do you have...?? Cause that makes a difference as well. each tyre bluge or strech different.
I have 10,5" offset 40 +/+ 5 mm spacer at the front so say approx the same as 10"with offset +40 +/+ 10mm spacer and i stil think for optic i can go a bit wider, but can't due to the length of my studs

 

[Toncruse]

No problems for the front with your setup +10mm spacers ton. Rears i can't be sure but think it can be done without doing the fenders as well.

Wich brand of tyres do you have...?? Cause that makes a difference as well. each tyre bluge or strech different.
I have 10,5" offset 40 +/+ 5 mm spacer at the front so say approx the same as 10"with offset +40 +/+ 10mm spacer and i stil think for optic i can go a bit wider, but can't due to the length of my studs

Raymond

To give my specs. Yokoham Parada Spec 285/35/22 tires on Lexani LSS-10 wheels with 10mm spacers front with about 1mm to 2mm clearance of the OEM caliper. Visually looking at the wheel/tires I could probably go with another 10mm, which would allow me to go with a 20mm spacer to accomodate the FX50 BBK. Im wondering is there an upgrade to bigger mudflaps. I have plenty of room in the rear and was planning to install 10mm spacers and extended studs in the rear this weekend. Thanks

Ton

 

[raymond]

Raymond

To give my specs. Yokoham Parada Spec 285/35/22 tires on Lexani LSS-10 wheels with 10mm spacers front with about 1mm to 2mm clearance of the OEM caliper. Visually looking at the wheel/tires I could probably go with another 10mm, which would allow me to go with a 20mm spacer to accomodate the FX50 BBK. Im wondering is there an upgrade to bigger mudflaps. I have plenty of room in the rear and was planning to install 10mm spacers and extended studs in the rear this weekend. Thanks

Ton

Ohhh jeah i forgot you had the yokohama's..... these bulg a bit more then the once i have. but still think it'll all work fine with the ten mile on the rear. Good luck...!!

 

[EG3]

Ton, if the offset is 40, I think you can go 5-10mm more with your 285/35 tires. The best way is to measure the distance between your tires and the outer edge of the fender.. As far as I know, when it's completely flush, it doesn't rub with 285/35s.. Can you post a pic showing how much space left horizontally between the fenders and tires (you need to take the pic top-down)..

 

[Toncruse]

Ton, if the offset is 40, I think you can go 5-10mm more with your 285/35 tires. The best way is to measure the distance between your tires and the outer edge of the fender.. As far as I know, when it's completely flush, it doesn't rub with 285/35s.. Can you post a pic showing how much space left horizontally between the fenders and tires (you need to take the pic top-down)..

EG3

I will do that later on after work, but yeah, looking at it top down I have room but I was thinking about it sitting out a little and throwing water or whatever up on the sides of the FX. Yeah, I think I can squeeze 10mm more. Ultimately my main goal is the get those FX50 BBKs on...lol. Will post pics later, and again thanks for your help.

Ton