modified struts & suspension

Thanks StuLax18. Turbo, I won't be running winter tires. I specifically get all-season M+S tires, so I don't have to run separate tires. Does it look like I can raise the bracket by 1"?
 
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Airvtec: I would not do 1" (maybe 7/8) on the front strut because you will run the risk of rubbing on the strut spring base. Also depending on your offset, you may rub while turning. I have +15 offset and I did notice a very rare and slight rubbing during hard cornering (but there was also a small bump on the road).

I think when I change to a taller tire (265/40/22) I will fill the gap between the wheel and fender much better.

and like turbocad said, this mod is a custom one and you will need to find a shop that is willing to do this for you. (in my case, I was lucky to have a offroad shop close by)

turbocad,
can you provide the p/n for the Magnum? or maybe sell me the ones you tested. from what I read, they should be a improvement to the KYBs. I would do the coilover shock, but you made it seem it would make the rear higher?
 
johnny you can go exactly 1" no problem as far as strut to tire clearance with your size tire. if your wheel is sticking too far out though you may have rubbing there, you gotta see if the tire to fender can take the same 1", the strut can def take it though. after this strut mod you won't be able to mount a stock sized wheel & tire on your fx anymore, a stock 20 will rub on the strut at 1". I could care less personally & don't ever plan to run stock tire sizes anymore anyway, but just so you realize that. I would get a new set of swaybar links & shorten them the same 1" to maintain the same front swaybar position, but pelon & merchant don't seem to have any issuers at 3/4" so may not be that big a deal, don't know if the swaybar has that much extra room to the axle, to keep it perfect I would do thge shortend swaybar links too especially awd


your tire is 1/2" shorter than stock, you can add half this difference to the base 3/4" to see that 1" the lowest you can go with the strut mod.




alan heres the latest monroe master catalog. it's the gas magnum that's labeled as f250 front, think it's 80-86.... there are bilstiens available that fit that application that may be even better?, think the magnums cost me around $85 a pair, bilstiens are $75-$80 each I think... I haven't tried them, if you want to stay on par with your front kyb's then the magnums are a good choice, technically I would think that you should be able to get kyb's own equivelent to your front struts in the correct application for the f250 & it'll work fine too, be like the kyb you have now but shorter & can't bottom out.

I don't say don't do the coilovers because they'll make it higher. as the fx sits with the full stock upper rear spring bushing, if you swap out the upper bushing for a lower seat & install this coilover at the same time the rear height will probably be around the same as it was, the upper bushing swap drops & the coil raises again. end result is a higher spring rate by an estimated 20% or so at about the same ride height I think. my fx is lower with 1 3/4" dropped rear arms, when I swapped the upper seat & the coilover my end result was a little raised than before, but without this extra lower arm mod I think it def won't be slightly higher like mine was, should be around the same... could even be slightly lower? if it was then that's no problem you can adjust it by using a cut upper seat instead to bring it back up a bit

****I say don't do the coilovers with stock front H&R springs, the back will be too firm compared to the front, won't be well balanced


****I think 1/2 coil cut from H&R is alot closer in spring rate to a stock eibach, just 1/4" lower than an eibach. I trust a 1/2 coil cut H&R at least as much as a stock eibach, never seen a cut H&R snap really :tongue:


****just adding this coilover to an otherwise balanced fx will ruin the balance by making the rear stiffer than the front.


you need to stiffen up the front to be able to do the rear coilovers, you can run eibach front with H&R rear as one solution or


you can run H&R's all around with 1/2 coil cut front, modded strut, added coilover in the rear with the upper seat swap, then it'll be firmer all around & ride even better than stock H&R ride. this is also the lowest combination. this is my recommended best setup at this point. there are no suspension problems at these heights but if your wheels are too agressive & stick out too much then you may rub instead of tucking, if your running spacers you may want need to remove or reduce them...


I have learned alot with swapping these suspension components in & out, but realize that I can't test out each & every configuration, so anyone playing around following any of my advice please realize that I can't control weather your wheels tuck or scrape, that's up to you to judge, & you may have to play around with the rear to get the rear ride height just right.
 
thanks for the additional info John on the shocks.

I also found this info from shockwharehouse

Building or fabricating something? Need some shock specs? Here below are links to the manufacturer's downloadable PDF sheets to help you choose and see the specs for various shocks and struts. These parts are technical intense, or used for racing / fabrication purposes. So grab your tape measure and your mechanic, and you are ready to go.
When using a shock by dimension and / or valving, it is extremely important you read and look over all technical notes supplied by the manufacturers to insure you order the correct part to fit your modifications. If you are unsure, consult your mechanic or fabrication shop for installation and suspension modification options.

If there is a part you are interested in and want to purchase, just type that part number in the upper left hand search field and it will find it. If not, please fill in our Tech Form and we can check availability for you.
http://www.shockwarehouse.com/news/downloads.cfm

I just didnt know what the FX was to start with.
 
johnny you can go exactly 1" no problem as far as strut to tire clearance with your size tire. if your wheel is sticking too far out though you may have rubbing there, you gotta see if the tire to fender can take the same 1", the strut can def take it though. after this strut mod you won't be able to mount a stock sized wheel & tire on your fx anymore, a stock 20 will rub on the strut at 1". I could care less personally & don't ever plan to run stock tire sizes anymore anyway, but just so you realize that. I would get a new set of swaybar links & shorten them the same 1" to maintain the same front swaybar position, but pelon & merchant don't seem to have any issuers at 3/4" so may not be that big a deal, don't know if the swaybar has that much extra room to the axle, to keep it perfect I would do thge shortend swaybar links too especially awd


your tire is 1/2" shorter than stock, you can add half this difference to the base 3/4" to see that 1" the lowest you can go with the strut mod.

Thanks John for all the tips :tup:. I was afraid you might say something else will need to be modded to accommodate the 1" bracket mod. Next I'll need to find a shop that is capable of doing this.
 
good luck Airvtec.

I guess I ask the wrong questions to turbocad, since I have the same tires are you now.

on a side note. I did notice that the FX will scrape a parking bumper (the cement bars that are in parking spaces) if I get to close.
 
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good luck Airvtec.

I guess I ask the wrong questions to turbocad, since I have the same tires are you now.

on a side note. I did notice that the FX will scrape a parking bumper (the cement bars that are in parking spaces) if I get to close.

Thanks theMerchant! I'll definitely be careful about getting too close to those bumpers. I'm also a bit afraid of scraping the rear GT spec bar. From the rear view it looks like the lowest thing under there.
 
It is the lowest part... but it also is right between the rear tires. So the only way you can really hit it is by going over something between the tires... Speedbumps you will be fine.
 
Ya, as long as you aren't going over anything narrow (such as a tire) it won't hit the bars with clearance from the wheels going over it.
 
I did the rear upper mount (used the lower on top) over the weekend and the modified shock mount (Cut off 1 of the bump stops and cut sleeve).

everything came out good. I just did it to the stock shocks since I want to see where Im at with the spring mount. (how low)

The idea from turbocad to use the lower spring mount on top, worked out great. I havent measured again yet (will wait for springs to settle) but the rears were 17" and with this Im thinking it will be around ~16 1/2. Still much higher that most that have Eibachs (gto ~15 something). I think I wont have a problem bottoming out even w/o doing the shock mod. Maybe if I want to cut the front H&R and use a Eibach rear?! or Eibach all around...

At least I can say I have one of the lowest uncut H&R setup :tup:

I will post some before and after pics soon.

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I had a chance to take some pics and measure the rear.



front with modified strut uncut H&R and rear with unmodified rear H&R
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front with modified strut uncut H&R and rear modified spring seat, H&R
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Front 16 4/16
Rear 16 6/16
 
Hey Alan, can we meet up after work one of these days so I can check it out in person. You are practically down the street from my work.

Let me know.
 
anyone here got a set of stock spring to spare ?

I got a set in my garage, trade for a GTSPEC front strut brace? delivered to your door :biggrin:, spent lots of $$$ on 4 gtspec items already (returning customer).


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you prob had missed this post: ///104441&postcount=16 , my offer is just as good :wink:
 
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Should of made sure that when the re-install of the modified piece was placed and centered when you put it it....

That's the only thing I can think of why you have the difference...

BTW.. Looking good....
 
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