Hunter Road Force balancing

Chedman13 said:
Make sure they hunter road force all four then the two with the lowest road force number go in front.

The two front are key to not have any shake.

Regular balancers won't work as well on 24's.
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Thas exactly what I'm trying to do but I'm having a hard time finding the right place to do it.

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mbarb15 said:
u go back?
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Not yet. I might go today if i get out of work early enough.
 
mbarb15 said:
u go back?
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Ok I just.spoke to Odie and he said it was definitely roadforce that was done but to bring it back tomorrow and hell redo it for me. He was very reasonable about it. Hopefully this time around will be better. Id really like to get a printout too. Ill see if they can comply this time.
 
Yessir I sure did. Before I even explained anything the first thing I said was Mike from Englewood tire recommended me and he acknowledged right away. Thanks for that. Now I'm just hoping that this helps cuz if not im stuck trying to figure it out.
 
nice, i just want him to take care of u instead of dicking u around.. he wouldnt give u the run around cuz he knows itll come back to me if he did.. and yea i supply him tires so its just better not to have that bitter relationship btw me and him loll.. i hope everything turns out good.. see what happens and hopefully these tires do well on the roadforce
 
Thanks man I really appreciate all the help Ive gotten from you and also everybody else here at the scene. Im glad I found it. As a matter of fact I think I'll start a new thread on how the "scene" has helped its members since they joined.
 
we all help with whatever we've got, i believe the scene is better than the org cuz its more like a close-knitched family and everyone puts something towards the table
 
Ok check it out. Im here at national. Odies not here yet but the guy who balances told me that from his 22 years of experience here its gonna be impossible to balance these wheels right because he can only add weights on one side of the wheel (inside edge). He suggested I get a refund but that doesnt help me. So Im here waiting for Odie to get here and see what we can do. What you think?
 
You can try another place, but if the result is the same then you have two choices.. Either replace the tire or replace the wheel.
 
well, he's doing it wrong.. get a refund and no offense to him but go somewhere else.. that machine is capable/made to detect vibrations at different speeds and hi/lo spots on the tire itself.. if he can't get that machine to stop the vibration than he's doing it wrong...

check it out

http://www.hunter.com/balancer/roadforce/4159T.pdf

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sometimes these old schoolers cant adapt to the new technology or dont know how to use it right and are still using their old school methods.. also he has to make sure he takes off the hub rings and make sure he's using the right fittings from the machine on the rim to avoid any possible errors... it may or could also be the hub-centric rings u have on ur wheels.. are they the right size?

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PMG 705 said:
You can try another place, but if the result is the same then you have two choices.. Either replace the tire or replace the wheel.
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+1, a second opinion always works.. hey, u could also have a bent or inferior quality wheel that will not; no matter how, balance.. or the tires itself be garbage (separated belts, manufacturer defect) that will not balance... another thing, on the tire itself there should be a colored yellow, red or white dot stamped on it.. those dots signify the high/low points of the tires.. here, read this.. dont feel like explaining it again lol.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=17
http://www.bridgestonetrucktires.com/publications/ra_v13_i1/PDF/ra_v13i1 ask doc.pdf

they may not be aligned properly and and could POSSIBLY require the rim to take alot of weight which makes it harder to balance
 
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Ok ill try to keep it as brief as possible without all the ugly details. I hate bad mouthing people but I feel its necessary so this doesnt happen to anyone else. At the end of it all his roadforce machine isnt working and he was doing regular balancing after telling me it WAS two weeks in a row. I walked in when they were doing it and saw that the roadforce pin wasnt engaged. When I asked the guy why was this he tells me it doesnt work! So basically I was lied to from the get. I confronted Odie and he says "sure it works lets go over there" so he asks his guy and his guy says to him "you know that doesnt work for a long time now" as he walks around the machine trying to do who knows what. Anyway I got a refund and went somewhere else who HE recommended lol and they looked at the wheels and said that theres no place to put the weights so I thanks him and left for being up front and not jerking me around. He told me to try Mavis. Now I'm stuck again. Ima see if I can post a picture of the wheel maybe I'll get some ideas from you guys.
 
1) Didn't think it was such a journey to get Hunter RoadForce, everyone in Chicago tries to sell it like hot-cakes. I only get it done on 20" wheels or larger. Regular balancing is typically fine for smaller applications. 24" is a must.

2) Balancing is one thing, but sometimes you see a ton of weights on the wheel. The wheel might need to be rotated to possibly offset that or let's say, offset a valve stem. Most don't do this and just throw on as much weight as possible.

3) The right way is for the next guy to do an inital roadforce test and get the number. Then take off all the weights and re-do it with the hunter roadforce and then apply brand new weights. Then get the new roadforce number. Probably a big change.
 
wow dude, i completely apologize for them giving you the run-around and a shitty experience.. stuff should never end like this especially after someone refers you.. im gonna call odie and see what the deal was.. thats just not right and ultimately makes me look bad..

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alright so i spoke to odie, and he said that the tech balanced it and it balanced perfectly fine.. the problem is the tires.. u have some import fullways or budget tire on there and that theyre a little chopped up.. he did mention that the arm on the roadforce, the one that carries the roller with the sensors apparently didnt work and that is the arm that detects all the malformation in the tire.. anyways, in the end he apologized for having you deal with all that crap and he said that the machine should be back and running next week if u can't find anyone else to do it.. but in the end, the answer is still the tire that seems choppy and even tho you can still roadforce it, pop the bead and position it on the wheel as best as possible to REDUCE as much vibration as possible, it may not remove it completely.. thats just an FYI n my opinion on the matter.. well best of luck and again, i apologize on my behalf for that experience, i was just trying to help as much as i can!
 
mbarb15 said:
wow dude, i completely apologize for them giving you the run-around and a shitty experience.. stuff should never end like this especially after someone refers you.. im gonna call odie and see what the deal was.. thats just not right and ultimately makes me look bad..
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Dont even sweat it...I had already gone there before you even said anything. Also its not your fault. Theres no way you could know something like that was gonna happen. I still appreciate the help. At this point I just wanna get this done right. The rest is history.

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Thats interesting. How could he detect a "choppy tire" or malformation on a brand new tire if his machine doesnt work? By looking at it? Maybe hes right idk im no expert but that was just one of the theories I got when I was there. Ill try somewhere else and see how it goes. I just hope I can find a place thatll do it right.
 
yea, i really dont know what he noticed or how long you've been running the tires for, so i can't tell u much.. hey for what i know it could be a manufacturers defect with it... what you can do is try rubbing your hand flat on the tire, to see if u detect choppiness.. thats the old school way.. on a reg balancer, when the tire spun, we would put our hand on it and see how smooth it was... however, that wont help u detect the different points on the tire.. if your still down to have the tire roadforced, the shop that i used to work at has the roadforce, but its in wayne nj... if ur willing to travel these ways i can meet u somewhere and we can go this sat morning if u want.. theyre open till 2pm i think.. its ETD discount tire centers in wayne nj, 973-694-4897 and ask for dave.. i now work for the cooperate office in wholesale and the company has better values than these small shops... of course if u go without me, tell them i sent u
 
I just might take you up on that. I still have the issue of can the weights be effectively placed on the wheels. Im gonna post a couple of pics to see what you think. You think theyd give me a printout of the results as well?
 
well, usually the right way of putting wheel weights on ur wheels is to use clip on on the inner bead area and tape-on as close to the spokes on the inside.. i guess that shall be determined when they roadforce it

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yea, keep me posted, and not sure about the print out thing.. dont rem if that thing had a printer attached to it
 
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Sorry about the crappy pics and all the dirt. That was right after leaving the shop. So what you think? Space to use weights on them?
 
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