***GTSPEC Front Brace(s) Group Buy***

[Z1Performance]

I understand what Z1 wants to do with this group buy. If you all can remember with the group buy with the rear strut bars we had people complaining that they were skipped and they were on the list before others that were closer to the bottom and i can go on forever.

If thats how they want to see us the front strut bars then so be it.

Advisory - i am not supporting the company in anyway, Just keeping it real.

Exactly. A list of interested parties is great and all, but it doesn't get a product produced. The payment separates the wheat from the chaff as they say. If you want it, here it is and here is how to get it. If you can't comply with the GB requirements, or don't want to for whatever reason, no harm, no foul

 

[Z1Performance]

I propose this question to the guys at Z1.

What if you don't get 20 people for the group buy, are they still going to get there front struts braces or are they going to get there money back?

I understand what the guys at are sayin. I'm just trying to figure out why it takes 10 different posts to get to the real question. (unless it has already been asked)

is the waiting part of the problem

As mentioned by Kwame, it depends. If we're only a few spots away from the 20, then it will still go ahead and we'll keep the remaining pieces in our inventory until they sell. If we only get 10 people though, for example, then the funds will be returned, no product will be produced.

If $440 is too big of a commitment to make for a 4 week lead time for production and shipping, then so be it. All we can do is lead the horse to water. You guys asked for the bars, here they are. If the GB doesn't go down, then it's the worlds greatest market study that these are not items worth producing, let alone stocking in inventory at any point, for either Z1 or GT Spec.

 

[theMerchant]

Please remove me from the interested list. thank you.

 

[EG3]

If the GB doesn't go down, then it's the worlds greatest market study that these are not items worth producing, let alone stocking in inventory at any point, for either Z1 or GT Spec.

a GB with limits would be decisive if these should be produced & sold to individuals in the future? Forgive me I'm kind of foreign to the subject, I'm a finance guy not marketing.. I thought firms would do a market study (an interested list with pricing is one) to come up with an average demand and build accordingly.. So GTSpec placed the prices on their website just to see if this group buy goes through or not?

What if you have 20+ people interested in ONE of the braces? That doesn't qualify to be built as well? I still have a hard time understanding the "20 AND 20" rule here.. Maybe that's me & maybe this is my last post on this subject

If the rules are definitely these, no flexibility then I honestly hope more people will pay so that this thing gets completed.. No harm here, just ideas, remember.. Good luck with it..

 

[Z1Performance]

a GB with limits would be decisive if these should be produced & sold to individuals in the future? Forgive me I'm kind of foreign to the subject, I'm a finance guy not marketing.. I thought firms would do a market study (an interested list with pricing is one) to come up with an average demand and build accordingly.. So GTSpec placed the prices on their website just to see if this group buy goes through or not?

What if you have 20+ people interested in ONE of the braces? That doesn't qualify to be built as well? I still have a hard time understanding the "20 AND 20" rule here.. Maybe that's me & maybe this is my last post on this subject

If the rules are definitely these, no flexibility then I honestly hope more people will pay so that this thing gets completed.. No harm here, just ideas, remember.. Good luck with it..

Will the product be produced at some point? Yes. When? No determination as of yet. The GB was started by us, at GT Spec's request, to gauge what the market is. I just had a lengthy conversation with GT Spec about the very subject. If 20 people can't commit, it tells them that there is no rush to produce the product and instead they can focus resources on stocking more heavily on parts that already sell well for them, such as the 350Z braces, or their WRX manifolds as an example.

The timeframe to both produce these and get them into people's hands is significantly accelerated as a result of this group buy. For one, the braces will go into production immediately, ahead of even other products that they were looking to restock on, etc. Second, the braces are being shipped over by air to us, not the normal sea freight method. All this boils down to is that they arrive quicker and ship quicker to the people who want them the most. Without the group buy, do the bars still get made? Yes. When? Not determined at this point and no rush would be put on them either. Why? Because the GB, with the reduced pricing and accelerated schedule is the best market indicator to GT Spec as to how quickly they need to react to customer demands. If the GB can't go down successfully, then it simply tells them they don't need to put the rush on the manufacturing of these braces, and can simply roll them out at a later date as their time/resources allow.

The 20 and 20 rule is not mine, it's GT Specs - that is a requirement they had.

 

[turbocad6]

this is why I thought a deposit type setup would work well. almost no one is going to send in over $100 without the intentions of following through, but I think more will be willing to tie up, invest, throw down, whatever, 25% then wait & see what happens, rather than doing the same thing with over $400...

I really want these bars myself, but I do feel that there is a pretty good chance I'm going to paypal out of my account over $400 with the chance of not getting anything but a refund down the road... right now I do intend on doing this anyway, but that's because I really do want these & some guys doing this may make others do the same, but if it looks like it's not going to happen anyway then I may just not even want to bother, where at 25% there is much less apprehension... & while it may not feel as solid of a comitment to you, it is still a pretty solid comitment, & may be the difference between meeting or not meeting your goal...

just trying to help... also when a payment is made & then refunded, does paypal still take there bite on either end?

 

[gchristopher9]

Wow people are really getting fired up over this. They're doing us a big favor by putting all this together. Either abide by their terms and get the braces, or chose not to and don't get them. Arguing over the terms they've already established is pointless.

On that note..........PAID

 

[Z1Performance]

this is why I thought a deposit type setup would work well. almost no one is going to send in over $100 without the intentions of following through, but I think more will be willing to tie up, invest, throw down, whatever, 25% then wait & see what happens, rather than doing the same thing with over $400...

I really want these bars myself, but I do feel that there is a pretty good chance I'm going to paypal out of my account over $400 with the chance of not getting anything but a refund down the road... right now I do intend on doing this anyway, but that's because I really do want these & some guys doing this may make others do the same, but if it looks like it's not going to happen anyway then I may just not even want to bother, where at 25% there is much less apprehension... & while it may not feel as solid of a comitment to you, it is still a pretty solid comitment, & may be the difference between meeting or not meeting your goal...

just trying to help... also when a payment is made & then refunded, does paypal still take there bite on either end?

Again, if you paypal 25% and we only get to 10 people then it's not going to happen either. The numbers set forth of 20 and 20 are by GT Spec, not by Z1. Further, again, when the braces come in, we want to ship them and get them into the hands of the buyers. To then be responsible for collecting additional money from people before they can ship is a giant nuisance, and runs the risk of turning into a giant mess with people being potentially away for personal or business reasons, or not having the rest of the money, or any other number or things. At that point it just further delays things. Secondly, the way this is going down is simple - we are the distributor for the manufacturer and this product at this point.

No, there are no deductions made by paypal on refunds....if the GB does not go ahead, everyone is refunded 100%

 

[Kwame_z1]

I boils down to this either you can agree to the terms of the group buy set by both GTSpec and Z1 and you make the full payment for the item(s) you want and help us get to 20 confirmed orders to make this happen or if you think the terms are unfavorable you don't send in a payment and you can step aside. No big deal as we've stated. If it goes, it goes, if it doesn't, it doesn't.

For those of you who have sent in your payments already we appreciate it. Three confirmed orders in less than 24 hours (2 of which were within the first 5 hours) is pretty good if you ask me.

 

[Mongolian]

Wow people are really getting fired up over this. They're doing us a big favor by putting all this together. Either abide by their terms and get the braces, or chose not to and don't get them. Arguing over the terms they've already established is pointless.

On that note..........PAID

+1 why are we arguing over this :thumpdown:

It's rather pointless. You either do it or you don't.

I think the Mods should intervene?

 

[EG3]

+1 why are we arguing over this :thumpdown:

It's rather pointless. You either do it or you don't.

I think the Mods should intervene?

Mods should intervene to stop people expressing the ideas? Nobody's jacking the thread, nobody's offering another alternative they found. Is it bad to offer alternative methods/ideas that might fit a bigger potential customer group?

 

[Z1Performance]

I don't mind the discussion and I think between myself, Kwame and the post today from Ken at GT Spec on the subject, I think the situation is clear.

Everyone asked for the braces to be made and the GB to take place - now it's here, and terms are clearly outlined. There is zero downside to participating - you either get the braces that you said you wanted, or you get a full 100% refund in a very short amount of time. Hopefully we'll get to the required number of people so this can come to fruition.

 

[FXtion]

I think what Z1's offer is reasonable. Like Rookie says, "we are in a Niche Market." FX is calisiffied as more of a SUV than a Performance car.

I personally know that I'll almost never will be in a situation that I'm going to Race my car in a track and get a "Race Car" performance out of my FX. The reason I'm doing this is to know that when and if it calls for it, my FX will handel the Road better.

Many of us "Mod Freaks" out there know that our cars will never out perform a Z or G, but we spend the $$$ to make it what it is because we like.

A manufacturer like GT-Spec does not Manufacture parts just because they like it. They do it because they want to profit from the sales. It is way to costly for make anything custom and the commitment to buy at a later time does not make them feel any better to want to hurry this up.

Z1 is just a facilitator, just like GT-Spec, they are in business to make money. Except they lean more towards helping our community than just make a buck and run.

So if the it take 20 orders for GT to hurry it up and make these for the FX and instead of paying list price make they offer it for less, I think we should jump at the oportunity.

After all, this is a semi custome work, and like anything else, it has to be made to the spects and that takes time. Think of it as if you ordered a part that was Back-Ordered.

All this, as I understand it, is for all parties to commit to buying and for GT to have enough order to rush the Manufacturing proccess.

 

[Z1Performance]

thank you for understanding Fothian

 

[MASSIVE]

OK, at last we have had some clarification on what exactly will happen with this group buy. I just want to take the time now to throw in my 2 cents about what I have noticed about this forum.

I remember when this site first kicked off and I joined. It pretty much started out as a site were all off us in the FX world can get together and share ideas and mods that we have done to our prized vehicles. I would come here and get ides and info about what I would like to do to my FX. Lately it seems that we have to dig more and more to find info because of the unnecessary chatter to see what’s going on. (I know this is one of those moments, if you are following the story on this thread) I understand that this is an outlet to allow us to unite under one site and share what we have done. A lot of what is being said has nothing to do with the thread to begin with. It may seem relevant at the moment but if you site back and think about it all you really need to do is PM the user to get some more info. Let them clarify what it is they are trying to say. I hate having to spend time digging threw pages to try and find the answer to a question, especially when the proposed question is on page 2 and the answer is on page 5.

All I’m really saying is let cut to the chase and get to the point with things. I'm sure it will make this site function a lot better for those of us that are here for info and not chatter.

A lot of you know this stuff better than most of us; share your wealth of knowledge. I’m not expert but if you point me in the right direction I’m sure I’ll figure it out.

I would just like to say that this is a really good site and compared to other like it there is a wealth of knowledge here, it's just starting to become like the others site and I really don't want to see that happen.

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[Z1Performance]

Couple of comments:



22 slots on that list formed BEFORE Laxman posted the retail prices. If all those people were interested in retail pricing and advanced payment you wouldn't get 22+ people like you don't right now.



I understand that GTSpec requires you to collect the payment for 20 of each brace but if you use a "committed" list, you'll see how many people would be willing to go for which brace. For instance, the moment I saw the retail prices I realized I WON'T be getting both. Many are probably in the same league with me as they don't want to spend $440. If this is the case, which probably is, you WON'T get that 40 orders. And since your requirement is that, this GB will probably won't go through. Add the early payment + 1.5 month wait and you have a handful of people who'd comply with your requirements.. Simple like that..

Form a new interested list with the retail prices or prices you calculate for 10-20-30-40 braces and you'll see how we can do this group buy or how we can't....

I figured I'd address this question directly here for the benefit of the forum. It was answered by GT Spec in the other thread earlier today, but not everyone might have seen it. This is the first run of a new product. As such, the manufacturing needs to be scheduled with the factory, raw materials ordered, boxes made, etc. etc. In order for that to do be done quickly, GT Spec set a requirement of a minimum run of 20 of each brace be produced. Less than 20, and the factory won't set the braces as a priority for manufacturing nor will GT Spec be willing to front the air shipping costs to get the braces into your hands sooner rather than later. Can they do a lower number? Sure, but it would be without any promised arrival date, nor would the economies of scale be there to offer the GB pricing, nor would it be on the quick timetable that this GB is on (4 weeks for manufacturing/transit time to us). In closing, if you choose to wait will you still be able to buy the braces? Yes. When, and for how much? No one knows. So basically this represents the here and now and the best of all worlds. The ability to speed up the manufacturing and put the braces at the top of the factory's workpile, air them from the factory to us for distribution at no added cost, while still maintaining group buy pricing with free shipping in the 48 states.

 

[Z1Performance]

Paid Orders:

Front Lower Engine Tie Brace

1. BaBaLuwee - Infinitiscene
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Front 4 Point Ladder Brace

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[trainerKEN]

OK, at last we have had some clarification on what exactly will happen with this group buy. I just want to take the time now to throw in my 2 cents about what I have noticed about this forum.

I remember when this site first kicked off and I joined. It pretty much started out as a site were all off us in the FX world can get together and share ideas and mods that we have done to our prized vehicles. I would come here and get ides and info about what I would like to do to my FX. Lately it seems that we have to dig more and more to find info because of the unnecessary chatter to see what’s going on. (I know this is one of those moments, if you are following the story on this thread) I understand that this is an outlet to allow us to unite under one site and share what we have done. A lot of what is being said has nothing to do with the thread to begin with. It may seem relevant at the moment but if you site back and think about it all you really need to do is PM the user to get some more info. Let them clarify what it is they are trying to say. I hate having to spend time digging threw pages to try and find the answer to a question, especially when the proposed question is on page 2 and the answer is on page 5.

All I’m really saying is let cut to the chase and get to the point with things. I'm sure it will make this site function a lot better for those of us that are here for info and not chatter.

A lot of you know this stuff better than most of us; share your wealth of knowledge. I’m not expert but if you point me in the right direction I’m sure I’ll figure it out.

I would just like to say that this is a really good site and compared to other like it there is a wealth of knowledge here, it's just starting to become like the others site and I really don't want to see that happen.

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no offense... and I respect your input... but I belong to several other forums, it's quite common for that "chatter" to go on and veer off topics... just like if you were physically in a room full of people... you start off talking about one thing... and 10 minutes later, it goes from one thing to another... I get your point... but I'm just saying these things happen...

perfect example right here... you've brought up a completely different subject, and put in your opinion on something that has nothing to do with topic at hand, which is: GTSpec Front Brace(s) Group Buy... now someone else is going to come in and put in HIS input about what I've said (this post) or what you've said... and it's going to go on and on...

 

[Dr.2K]

Ok everyone...if you have comments please direct them to the other thread in the suspension section GT Spec Suspension Bracing - Page 30 - InfinitiScene.com

No more further comments in this thread regarding the rules for this GB. Everything has been said, so if you want to participate in this GB then please send funds to Z1, otherwise please refrain from any further comments in this thread.

 

[Z1Performance]

Paid Orders:

Front Lower Engine Tie Brace

1. BaBaLuwee - Infinitiscene
2. Fothion - Infinitiscene
3. gchristopher9 - Infinitiscene
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Front 4 Point Ladder Brace

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2. Fothion - Infinitiscene
3. gchristopher9 - Infinitiscene
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