G37 / FX50 Akebono Brake Retrofit

if you guys want to start an "officially interested list" here guess you can, think there going to start one on the org where joe originated the fx50 retrofit idea to begin with.

I'm guessing the fronts alone may be under $900, all around may be a bit over 2k give or take... availibility may wind up becoming an issue intially if theres enough people wanting these View attachment 153310
 
I was able to do some work with these rear brakes today. I have now confirmed that the 2 things I was concerned about in the rear are indeed both an issue. these 2 things seem to be the only problems left with this whole install.

the first obstacle is very easy to overcome & not much of an issue, other than raising costs a bit. the rear parking shoes are about an inch smaller in diameter than the current fx parking brake. all this would require is for Joe to substitute loaded backing plates for the naked ones, raising the costs here by a few hundred or so... the only good thing about this is that now it's sure that performance rotors will become available soon as the rotors are exactly the same as the g37s. had the parking brake been larger & these were proprietary to the fx alone, it may have limited performance rotor availability for at least some time

the second obstacle is the only real problem with this whole retrofit at this point. so far the fronts are fine & the rears are almost there after throwing enough parts at it. the only real problem remaining is the upper ball joint... the hole for the upper ball joint in the new knuckle is much larger than the existing ball joint . from an engineering point of view it's obvious as to why they changed this. the original knuckle was cast steel. cast steel has a very hard surface strength, so even with a 20mm tapered down hole, it is hard enough to resist deforming of the ball joint hole under in service stresses, but the new knuckle is cast aluminum. had it been cnc'd billet aluminum it may have been hard enough to go with the existing ball joint design, but cast aluminum is relatively soft. that same narrow tapered shaft would have a much higher chance of deforming the hole under in service stresses. by enlarging the hole to a 35mm severely tapered hole they have more than doubled the contact area of this hole, & more than doubled it's available surface hardness at this joint, making it as strong as the previous design & as strong as it needs to be.

not to worry yet, there are several possible solutions to this last problem & I'm sure we can get this to work. 1 is the possibility of also swapping the upper arms. it is sure to fit the knuckle & solve this hole problem, but it is not certain that the arm itself will fit. without crawling under a new fx I'd have to give this a 50/50 shot at best. the rear suspension on the new fx is very similar to the old, but there have been some tweaks to the suspension geometry too... the sway bar also happens to attach to this upper arm too, if the new upper arms do bolt in & complete this whole retrofit then I would say it is still very worth it & would probably be the best way to go, but I'm guessing that will add over $400 too, & that's over & above the add'l costs of the parking brake now

option 2 would be an adequate solution I think & should be much more cost effective, & that would be to have a bushing/adapter machined that would allow the early 20mm tapered ball joint to fit the late 35mm tapered hole of the new knuckle. this bushing would have to be precise & it would have to be very hard... think billet steel or maybe even cast & machined stainless... I'm sure a high end cnc machinist could build these at a respectable cost but they've got to be 100% correct too. as long as it's precise then it is the equivalent of the correct ball joint & the cheaper solution. this may also require a new custom ball joint nut to be able to maintain the use of the safety cotter pin. I think that a custom machined adapter setup like this is very possible & may be the best practical solution if the upper arms weren't an option, & should be much cheaper than the upper arms. I can work with Joe & help develop this adapter

at this point these are the 2 best options to pursue. a third option of just having the too large hole welded closed & then re machining it to fit the smaller ball joint shaft exists, this would be the average hot rodder way of doing it, & truth is it may very well work out just fine, but once you understand why they enlarged this hole to begin with you realize the drawback to that approach & why it is less than ideal.
 
a few shots... first, the old rotor next to the new... the new one is huge:tongue:

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the first gen fx parking drum:
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the new fx parking drum:
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original ball joint:
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& the newball joint hole:
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No one said that it would be easy to get this done. Allot of R&D that I hope will be worth it for all of us at the end.

Great of you to keep us informed on your progress.
 
Agreed. You always go way beyond. Looking forward to seeing this work for our cars. :top:
 
If the rears aren't feasible, I'll probably stick with stockers... but if it can still come in a package for around $2,000, this is the only BBK I could ever justify purchasing :biggrin:

Thanks again for your contributions
 
the rears are still very feasable, but the costs are going up on them as more parts are needed.

at this point, the fronts will really be the bargain here... the calipers & rotors just bolt on, to do a 14" 4 piston fixed caliper front brake for ~$900 is a no brainer...

the rears may wind up being over $1,500 though, I still think, to me, if the whole front & rear package can be had for the cost of just an aftermarket front kit only, that it is still a worthwhile thing as a front & rear swap, but it looks like it's creeping to a bit over the initial 2k total... joe is sending me a rear upper control arm & some parking brake parts, & were still exploring the possibility of having a balljoint adaptor bushing made too, which if that happens then the costs will still be under control.

I'm doing everything I can to keep the costs down on this thing... were going to try to see if we can reuse some of the original fx parking brake hardware too... I'll have more parts in tommorow & will update when I have more answers...
 
I'm working on a solution that should allow the 09 knuckle to directly mount up to the original 03-08 ball joint. this would solve our problem & also help to keep the costs way down over swapping out the 09 upper arms too. so far it's looking very doable, just need to confirm a few dimmensions...


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good news. I see logic in your design.
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BTW lets send turbocad some batteries for his micrometer :))
 
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so today I get an 09fx upper control arm... take it out of the box & first thing I noticed is that it looks very similar to our upper arm, even the swaybar mount looks good... so now I'm thinking cool, the arms actually might work...

then, I look at the balljoint... wtf, it doesn't seem anywhere near huge enough to fill the big hole in the knuckle??? insert it into the knuckle to confirm & no way, the hole is way to huge... the new balljoint actually looks exactly like the older ball joint???

so now I'm wondering if they sent me the wrong arm???... might it be the wrong knuckle??? wtf is going on here, don't add up, I mean it still would need the adapter that I designed to put these togeather if there both the correct parts??? don't make sense...

call joe from infiniti, both parts are 09fx... after a few minutes back & forth he realizes that there is another part... it's called a ball joint seat... he thought it was included with the ball joint but it's not, it's a seperate part & it looks exactly like what I CAD designed :4tongue: there is no washer like I designed though, that's built into the new ball joint nut...

I have these balljoint seats & nuts coming to me tommorow.... looks like were still on here & looks like we may not excede the 2k mark by much either at this point... fingers crossed... were almost there, pretty soon big brakes for all I think :tongue:
 
were almost there, pretty soon big brakes for all I think :tongue:
We <3 U :4tongue:


That's awesome that the '09 uses the same control arms, etc and utilized an insert like the one you designed lol...

This reminds me of a day in one of my first electrical classes when we learned all about electromagnets. My ADD got the best of me and I started sketching plans for an electric motor using electromagnets, and when I finished I thought I invented a new kind of electric motor... the next week we learned about what's called a reluctance motor (a form of AC synchronous motors)... which looked very similar to the one I sketched up. :4tongue:
 
I think that's called re-inventing the wheel :biggrin:

sucks I spent so many hours designing a CAD part that can be bought for under $10:cry:
 
Not only that, but look how dirty they are. Only measure down to the 100 thousanths?
 
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