For all you H&R spacer guys

Something about this doesn't seem correct. The hub centric ring fits inside the wheels hub opening. For it to see pressure that would create stress.....wouldn't the wheel have to move or flex and push the ring? I for one would like more subtantiative data. I've NEVER heard of a H&R spacer failure. All products can or will fail especially under hard use but this is the first I have heard of it with TRAX.
 
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TurTLeG said:
Watch out.... http://www.chicagoz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33975

I was never a fan of spacers. But now I'm rethinking my recent buy. Yea it was on the track but still a name brand spacer should of held its own.
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If it makes you feel any better, yours do not have any logo on the outer edge and thus, are definitely not H&Rs.

I've also never heard of an H&R spacer failure, and I'm still totally confident running them on my car. I will however, check the torque on the lug nuts tomorrow. ;)

SfmDRuT2
 
Also, judging by the dirt marks on the spacers in question, they may not even have been the right size... :what:

SfmDRuT2
 
Just putting it out there. Don't pick me apart. I've heard spacers failing. Seen wheel fall off, nasty vibration and etc.
Can't say one brand is better then the other.

I've only owned 5mm spacers and under, mainly to clear the bbk. But none were hub centric, just installed longer studs. No issues with those but I only went down the 1/4 mile tracks.

Spacers are a growing trend for people who can't get wheels in the proper offset. I bought a set to see how my OEM wheels would look. Just something to think about. Make sure everything is torqued and have a clean mating surface.
 
TurTLeG said:
Just putting it out there. Don't pick me apart. I've heard spacers failing. Seen wheel fall off, nasty vibration and etc.
Can't say one brand is better then the other.

I've only owned 5mm spacers and under, mainly to clear the bbk. But none were hub centric, just installed longer studs. No issues with those but I only went down the 1/4 mile tracks.

Spacers are a growing trend for people who can't get wheels in the proper offset. I bought a set to see how my OEM wheels would look. Just something to think about. Make sure everything is torqued and have a clean mating surface.
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Peter, nobody is picking you apart, just the post you referenced on the other forum. About the worst thing anybody can do is post up a random failure with no context or background. It's fear-mongering and has no basis for truth. It's a random data point.

I appreciate your post and the resulting discussion - it's exactly this kind of background needed in order to take the failure seriously. They don't seem to be H&R spacers as claimed and we have no idea if the guy installed them correctly. Did he replace his own wheel studs and were the correct ones installed? Did he use a torque wrench for install? Did he buy the spacer new or used? Was the wheel he used damaged in any way? Too many variables to really know.

You say spacers are a growing trend - sort of misleading to say imo, they have been around since before the muscle car days, always been used for a few different reasons and always experience the same kind of failures from bad engineering or poor quality. Most failures can be attributed to these things OR bad installation but these failures are rare. It's difficult to find other examples. Hub centric are always going to be better balanced than non hub centric.

I would absolutely prefer to run the right wheel with the correct offset but in this case I can say I have been running the Ichiba v2 hub centric 20mm spacers on two different FXs for more than 65,000 miles. About 14,000 of those miles were turbocharged miles, including drag strip runs. Spacers are not something that have ever given me anything to worry about.
 
It really looks like the spacer wasn't tightened down all the way between the hub and wheel so too much pressure was put on the hub ring. Seems pretty questionable that all of them showed some type of failure or damage. That shows user error, whereas the Eisnaps were just one, and probably an issue with the spring itself.
 
As someone said, if 3 out of 4 fail that's user error. It's almost statistically impossible for 3 out of 4 to fail for one person when they very rarely fail in general. For the most part, spacers don't fail. It doesn't matter how cheap or what brand, they're so easy to make with no moving parts that it's very hard for even the worst made ones to fail. They're basically just machining aluminum and pressing in the lugs which are made by someone else to pretty exacting standards. It's not rocket science.

FWIW, I find it amusing that the Z poster is knocking H&R's quality when they're one of the most respected names in suspension. He then goes on to say he is replacing the H&R spacers with Ichiba...which actually is just a company that rebrands other manufacturerers parts and doesn't make anything on their own. Wait until he doesn't tighten those correctly.
 
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