Dyno Tuned

Can UpRev do the 45's? I know they do other V8's in the lineup, but not the VK45 specifically. Since TS can, it must be possible though.

From what UPREV told me they carry a variety of VK ECU codes on hand. ECU's that are not in the system they pull the vin# to locate the parameters associated with your specific ECU and they debug them, the tuner then takes it from there. They made it sound like it's not a problem........I had called tadashi a few times and he said that my year (06') wasn't on the block for development, one of the reasons I moved over to UPREV (that and I like the thought of an actual dyno tune).

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Hey Jumbo-Keep us posted on the MPG gains that the tune makes for you, very curious to see where it ends up after it settles in. Did you ever calculate what the decrease was from the tranny upgrade or was it not noticeable? Getting the shift kit installed tomorrow.....
 
From what UPREV told me they carry a variety of VK ECU codes on hand. ECU's that are not in the system they pull the vin# to locate the parameters associated with your specific ECU and they debug them, the tuner then takes it from there. They made it sound like it's not a problem........I had called tadashi a few times and he said that my year (06') wasn't on the block for development, one of the reasons I moved over to UPREV (that and I like the thought of an actual dyno tune).

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Hey Jumbo-Keep us posted on the MPG gains that the tune makes for you, very curious to see where it ends up after it settles in. Did you ever calculate what the decrease was from the tranny upgrade or was it not noticeable? Getting the shift kit installed tomorrow.....
Ok cool, good to know. :tup:
 
Observations

So the day that I got my tune completed, I have not reset the fourth trip computer, so I can record how many miles I have been driving since. I hit about 17 hours and 675 miles today. I was traveling for 8 days inside that window, so it's not a whole lot of experience yet. However, I have noticed a couple things.

First of all, Jtran never drove the car after the tune - he had me do it. I think I need to have him drive so he can feel the shifts, how the car responds to the gas pedal, and how the engine moves through it's rpms during normal driving conditions.

During moderate acceleration (not WOT, but agressive) between 2 and 3 gear, the car seems to try to shift and fail three times. It manifests in the sound of the engine and feel in the drivetrain. Like a "rrra, rrra, rrra". Small, jerky thrusts with each during this event - like I'm stuck between gears for a moment before it "catches". Hope I'm describing it well enough. As soon as it does get into gear, it's fine and feels normal again. This has happened a few times - not consistently, but in certain situations. I feel like I could recreate the problem any time if I wanted to.

The other characteristic has to do with throttle control. When I press the accelerator say, 1/4 of the way down, the car continues to accelerate way past where it would have before my tune. It's almost as if the car thinks I have continued to slowly press the pedal. I don't really like this because I have to back off the pedal just to maintain a lower speed. To describe this another way, it's almost as if a tiny adjustment on the pedal translates to a much larger command for speed - but it takes forever to get there. Example - I press the pedal lightly in a residential area, say in a 35mph. If I didn't move my foot, the car would accelerate up to 75mph, but it would take 10-15 seconds to get to 75mph. Instead, now I have to take my foot off the pedal to maintain 35mph, feathering the pedal to maintain speed. Before my tune, I could find a pedal position that "equaled" the speed I wanted and just stay there. Can't seem to do that anymore.

In manual mode - DAMN. The car is so responsive! I get up to higher rpms very quickly and it's pretty fun to drive this way! I really feel like command is much more snappy in manual mode - there are fewer and shorter lags in the shifting. I can really feel my transmission a lot more and feel much more in step with the car as compared to the automatic mode. Guess this is because I'm controlling my shift points, instead of letting the computer "smooth" them out.

I'm wondering if doing another dyno tune and manipulating maps could take care of these anomalies. Might be smart to have Jtran actually drive my car to feel what I'm describing. I'd like to make some changes.
 
Also, ask them if they did anything to adjust pedal sensitivity. Don't you have some programmer installed that does that, the Blitz controller?
 
I dont really notice in auto mode the difference, likely cuz I rarely drive in it, & neither needing to feather the throttle. Maybe you just need some more seat time to get aquainted. I did however noticed the responsiveness right away, & also the smoothness of the engine. It just purrs smooth at lower & then goes crazy at higher rpm yet still with a bit of buzz. I was always bothered by the lack of refinement of the 6 through the powerband, but after the tune . . . a huge improvement in power delivery & refinement.
 
Also, ask them if they did anything to adjust pedal sensitivity. Don't you have some programmer installed that does that, the Blitz controller?

I do have the Blitz and JTran said it I could keep it or get rid of it. The throttle controller has been off for this "test" period. If he did adjust pedal sensitivity, the Blitz would work on top of that.

I dont really notice in auto mode the difference, likely cuz I rarely drive in it, & neither needing to feather the throttle. Maybe you just need some more seat time to get aquainted. I did however noticed the responsiveness right away, & also the smoothness of the engine. It just purrs smooth at lower & then goes crazy at higher rpm yet still with a bit of buzz. I was always bothered by the lack of refinement of the 6 through the powerband, but after the tune . . . a huge improvement in power delivery & refinement.

The stutter thing has me worried - that shouldn't be there. It could be a symptom of my failing throttle body? I threw a sensor code recently and am replacing the TB as soon as my new one comes in. ///8854

If the stutter stops after that, then I'll have a chance to really see what my new power delivery feels like. I think I've felt good bits and pieces, but not consistently or often enough to know them by heart yet. You are probably right about the seat time. Might just need to get used to the new normal.
 
Will a "pedal dance" ecu/throttle position/idle settings reset retain your new tune changes? Have you tried that? I don't know much (anything really) about the reflash tune deal... just a thought.
 
yeah reset only clears the learned cells so it's back to from scratch learning & adapting wise, but don't affect the base maps themselves which are altered in the tune...
 
Went to another shop (Powerfab here in Houston) to talk turbo quotes and I got a dyno done just for fun. Turns out I was right about the Mustang Dyno - first post in this thread. Glad I have a baseline from two dyno types now. No worries though - I guess I expected some type of difference between the two dynos. But it definitely gives us all something to think about when reading numbers. Interesting how they can be so different. This sheet actually shows three runs - with cool-down between them.

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And here's the Mustang dyno again:

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That's weird. This means that dynos don't vary linearly, but that the HP/TQ can vary independently from each other. Although it looks like the DJ doesn't show the low RPM TQ spike so that could be why.
 
interesting, perhaps this is O/T, but anyone knows a good dyno tuning shop in NYC area?
most of the stores offer the piggybacking system, rather than re-loading the maps...


thanks,
chris
 
I know a guy in staten island with a 4 wheel dyno. name of the place is rippmods, guy there seems pretty knowledgable... google him & call & see what he can do for you. main thing you gotta look for is someone with an all wheel drive dyno...
 
turbocad6,

did you consider dyno tuning your fx?:))
I guess after reading this thread that seems to be a good starter:tup: and best result for a buck ;)

chris
 
so it turned out that ripp mods, does the job and he actually has the awd dyno ;))

but here is an issue : he needs some sort of tool to tune it with.Some form of engine management or open source tuning tool -
is there any generic tuner/engine management tool for fx?:)

thanks in advance

chris
 
If you want a dyno tune in your area have them check into UPREV http://uprev.com/index.php You car's ECU will be on file, Ripp will need to buy a license to use the software. You can also do a Technosquare reflash, many of the members here have used TS and they have been very pleased with the results.
 
Logan,

This actually sounds like a good idea...
and this is what I'm going to do - since I figured that many of you send the ECU to technosquare [despite the fact that their website hasn't been updated since 2006;P]. After calling the TS location I was told that the technician is out of country and will be back in mid April ;(
As far as the convenience - the TS form along with the payments cannot be beaten ;D
my issue is that I live in NYC, therefore I will have to leave my car in the garage for few days;( and furthermore how do I take the ECU out ?:))

thanks,
chris
 
Logan,

This actually sounds like a good idea...
and this is what I'm going to do - since I figured that many of you send the ECU to technosquare [despite the fact that their website hasn't been updated since 2006;P]. After calling the TS location I was told that the technician is out of country and will be back in mid April ;(
As far as the convenience - the TS form along with the payments cannot be beaten ;D
my issue is that I live in NYC, therefore I will have to leave my car in the garage for few days;( and furthermore how do I take the ECU out ?:))

thanks,
chris

The ecu is located behind the glove box. All you do is unhook the harness and remove a few screws.
 
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