Camber correction for dropped 2nd Gens

the first gen FX uses a McPherson strut design in the front, no upper control arm. it can be lowered just about all the way down without affecting the camber all that much in the front, which is why you really don't see any first gens with alignment issues in the front, only the rear, even slammed... the second gen Fx uses a double wishbone suspension in the front,

now the double wishbone front suspension is without a doubt better than the McPherson strut setup which is why the new FX in stock form handles much better than the first gen in stock form, the front steering and suspension geometry is better on the second gen BUT when it comes to lowering this is where the issues come in to play.

in my opinion the fronts need a solution just as much as the rears on the second gen. Nissan designed the front suspension geometry to function as designed at a specific ride height of stock, which is really a fixed parameter as far as Nissan is concerned, so much so that they don't even offer ANY kind of adjustment at all to compensate for variations in static ride height... any lowering will cause the wheel to start to camber in, the lower it goes the more the wheel will camber in.

there is one more thing to be aware of... because the front is now using a double wishbone suspension, this design causes the wheel to camber in more as the suspension is lowered or compressed. this is what makes the second gen handle better than the first... this design allows Nissan to spec less initial static camber at vehicle ride height, yet when the vehicle rolls through a hard turn the outside wheel will compress the suspension and add camber to the outside wheels... the first gen can't do this and instead the first gen is dialed in with a bit more static camber, because it will NOT increase as the body rolls... what this means in the end is that if you wind up with extra negative camber at the new lowered ride height this is bad because as the vehicle rolls through a turn it will STILL add even more negative camber to that, AND because the suspension is now already partially into it's downward slope at the new lowered ride height this means that the ramp up, or amount of camber added (the camber curve) as the suspension is compressed more is even lower, in other words stock suspension may add say .2* of negative camber per inch compression from it's initial static ride height, but this ramp is generally progressive, meaning that the lower it goes the more negative is added per inch of compression... so while the first inch or travel may add .2* the second inch may add .3* and the third inch may add another .4*, so if you lowered the fx 2" then at that new static ride height the first inch of compression will now add .4* instead of .2* and so on... these numbers I've picked are purely for illustrative purposes and are not to be considered as the actual values as I have not spent the time to fully model the suspension design but this is generally how it works. in layman's terms what this means is that at a new lower static ride height the suspension geometry will add even MORE camber as the suspension is compressed that it would at the stock ride height, making too much initial negative camber even that much more of an issue..

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I honestly can't say, I haven't really experimented with one enough to know what can be done, but best case scenario is that one of the control arm mounting points can be altered to become adjustable. this is almost always the best solution, but unfortunately in many cases this will involve cutting and modifying the vehicle structure itself. if I had a second gen personally my plan would be to lower it to where I want it, then modify the mounting points to suit

this isn't such a good aftermarket solution though, an aftermarket solution would have to be engineered to bolt on without altering the vehicle structure. this may require aftermarket arms with the adjustments built into the arms themselves, keeping the whole thing as a bolt on. that's not to say that a simpler bracket or spacer setup isn't possible, it may be. it also may be possible to press either the upper or lower control arm bushings out and match them up to a suitable cam type adjustable bushing. maybe a spacer shim would have to be machined to allow a smaller cam type adjustable bushing to fit one of the arms... there are a few possibilities, just up to whoever is going to do the actual R&D to develop a solution

John, too bad you won't take on the R&D development of these. :( You'd be the man for the job....and hopefully could make a decent profit due to supply and demand.
 
John, too bad you won't take on the R&D development of these. :( You'd be the man for the job....and hopefully could make a decent profit due to supply and demand.

sorry but I'm really not equipt for something like this... as I said if I had one I would modify the vehicle itself a a first choice, rather than building custom arms, and even if I could, I still wouldn't do it for the public because of the liability involved... you're talking about a custom fabricated and welded replacement suspension member... the liabilities alone on something like this would more than overshadow any potential profit from an endeavor like this... most big companies get around this somewhat with the usual disclaimers of "for off road use only" and "not intended for use on public roads" or whatever, but #1 they have insurance for just this sort of thing and #2 they can somewhat get around certain things with there disclaimers... me on the other hand, I would have a nice trail right here on IS showing that I knew and endorsed the use of whatever I built on the street... one failure and it could ruin my life. again I'm really not equipt to do anything like this
 
We can get these done but the cost will be high, and understandably so, since the production run would be 100% custom.

And so far no one has stepped up and sent me a PM with their intention to participate, so, for now it's on hold. Once I get 5 plus committed buyers we can get the ball rolling.
 
I'm In but I think everyone needs to know the figures first and that's why no one has pm'd you
 
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I probably wasn't real clear but I did state 800-1k, but I think I can force them down a bit lower than that. Hopefully ;)

But I think 800 is a safe bet.
 
I didn't read ask the posts but my client is building the solution to take to market

I just got a new fx50 and fulcrum suspensions are designing new cast alloy arms
Is anyone interested? I would think so...
 
I didn't read ask the posts but my client is building the solution to take to market

I just got a new fx50 and fulcrum suspensions are designing new cast alloy arms
Is anyone interested? I would think so...


What's the status of the camber solution?
 
These camber arms need to be made already, it's driving me crazy
 
I will only buy a 2nd generation FX in future only if there will be a camber kit available:rotfl:
 
Haha true but I can't go back to stock height after being dropped, that will be depressing lol. Just gotta deal with the negative camber and tire wear I guess, sucks
 
I know it was very disappointing to take my springs off my 09 FX35, I only had them on for a couple thousand miles. Now they are sitting in a box in the basement.
 
My car is at the dealer now ....to get my headlights adjusted ....they just called me back and told me there charging me $65 to do it because I lowered my car.....

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