Paul Walker (RIP 11/30/13)
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- Location
- Vancouver, BC
- Car
- 2008 FX35
They should make a little stand and anchor that rotor to the ground there.
- Location
- Dallas, TX
- Car
- 2007 FX35 RWD
I guess they look somewhat similar.
So here are a couple things to consider: The car is burned to a charred crisp and the tree should have been burned completely up, but even THE LEAVES are still on the tree??? The hood of the car should be black charred, but there no burn to the hood at all??? There is no damage to the side walk around the wreckage, either.
- Location
- Dallas, TX
- Car
- 2007 FX35 RWD
Why should the hood be burned?
If the car was travelling at high speed and was supposedly cut in half by the impact, then why is the hood still intact and not burned? Why does the split start from the rear and end at the steering wheel? The trees show no charring, or burns. This car was impacted from the rear.
- Location
- Dallas, TX
- Car
- 2007 FX35 RWD
But why would the hood burn? It's a mid engine car, they don't always burn in the front.
Based on the skid marks, it seems the car spun, so impact was in multiple spots. It clearly hit in the front, as you can see scrapes on the front left fender, and the front bumper is torn up. The bent wheel suggest it hit the curb head on, as well.
Pork can comment as far as the burns to trees and such, but from one of the videos it seemed the car was up on the curb for 15-20 feet before it came to a stop and was engulfed in flames about a minute later (based on seeing trees/poles get knocked down). Best not to assume anything you read online, since at first people were saying there weren't skidmarks.
Based on the skid marks, it seems the car spun, so impact was in multiple spots. It clearly hit in the front, as you can see scrapes on the front left fender, and the front bumper is torn up. The bent wheel suggest it hit the curb head on, as well.
Pork can comment as far as the burns to trees and such, but from one of the videos it seemed the car was up on the curb for 15-20 feet before it came to a stop and was engulfed in flames about a minute later (based on seeing trees/poles get knocked down). Best not to assume anything you read online, since at first people were saying there weren't skidmarks.
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Smashed into a lamp pole? Evidence?
Whether cement or metal a lamp pole can do considerable damage. Yet, is there any evidence on this car of a strike against such a pole? The only possibility is the area of the right door. As seen, here, there is no possibility that this car struck a lamp pole from the front or passenger side.
It is true that the driver’s side of this vehicle is missing. Yet, through what mechanism? If it was from a wreck against a lamp pole, in fact, there is no confirmatory evidence of this: only supposition from seeing the lamp pole fall down but no camera evidence of this being caused by the car wreck.
What is certain is the fact that in no way did this car strike a lamp pole from the front:
Lamp poles can, though, cause considerable damage. No one is saying anything about the down sign. Yet, lamp poles in particularly can be deadly:
In all cases the hood is damaged, as are the side fenders in many cases. The Taylor car would appear to be the exception, as there is no damage of any kind to either the left fender or the entire hood. Also, in no case, at least in these photos, is the hood popped up so normally. Presumably, in this kind of crash it must be damaged or crimped.
Whether cement or metal a lamp pole can do considerable damage. Yet, is there any evidence on this car of a strike against such a pole? The only possibility is the area of the right door. As seen, here, there is no possibility that this car struck a lamp pole from the front or passenger side.
It is true that the driver’s side of this vehicle is missing. Yet, through what mechanism? If it was from a wreck against a lamp pole, in fact, there is no confirmatory evidence of this: only supposition from seeing the lamp pole fall down but no camera evidence of this being caused by the car wreck.
What is certain is the fact that in no way did this car strike a lamp pole from the front:
Lamp poles can, though, cause considerable damage. No one is saying anything about the down sign. Yet, lamp poles in particularly can be deadly:
In all cases the hood is damaged, as are the side fenders in many cases. The Taylor car would appear to be the exception, as there is no damage of any kind to either the left fender or the entire hood. Also, in no case, at least in these photos, is the hood popped up so normally. Presumably, in this kind of crash it must be damaged or crimped.
^^^ you want proof.. here you go...yes, they hit a pole first and continued to hit the two trees.. as evident in this video... also if you google the crash site on googlemap (hercules and constellation rd ), you can see they were making that long curve prior to crash.. speed, spun, crash...
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/showbiz/paul-walker-death/
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/03/showbiz/paul-walker-death/
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- Location
- Vancouver, BC
- Car
- 2008 FX35
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If you Google map the location, the same tire marks are on Hercules Street two years before the accident. The Google image of the street and the big curve are from 2011. I think there is some more investigating that needs done.
Regardless, however you look at it, it was a very tragic event and we lost 2 legends!
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I agree, and good save Jonas :good:
- Location
- Vancouver, BC
- Car
- 2008 FX35
Haha sorry Jonas.
- Location
- Dallas, TX
- Car
- 2007 FX35 RWD
Are you sure you have the correct spot where it happened if you are seeing tire marks? It took me awhile to nail down the exact spot, and I had to use overhead and street view, as well as looking up a company building from the background of Pork's photo.
Here's Pork's photo of the tire marks (there are others that had been there, but aren't related)
Here's google maps street view from Dec '11 (there's the lightpole they hit)
And an overview of that area
Here's Pork's photo of the tire marks (there are others that had been there, but aren't related)
Here's google maps street view from Dec '11 (there's the lightpole they hit)
And an overview of that area
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- Location
- Inland Empire, CA
- Car
- 2003 FX45
Hmm . . . not sure what happened here, but I'm happy to give my observations.
Please keep in mind that I have not studied or researched the details of this event, nor am I an accident investigator. I'm just a regular dude with my feet on the ground and my eyes on the scene- after the fact. There's a ton of more info out there, bot fact and speculation.
There are a few small trees that were impacted by the crash. At least one was completely knocked over from impact, remained for about a week and has since been removed. Other still-standing trees show major damage and burn. The foliage on the ground was totally burnt in the spot where the car ignited. The curb and sidewalk (dirt path by design intent) seem consistent with crash reports and media coverage.
From every picture I've seen the car id damaged on all sides and is most heavily damaged on both sides and rear. I suspect that both driver and passenger sides took the most impact on the collision. This also seems consistent with the curve in the road, driving path, skid marks, and curb damage. I have not heard and cannot speculate which side took the first impact into the light pole. There is no question that this car knocked down the light pole. It is important to keep in mind that this car and similar half a million dollar supercars are designed to respond to a crash very differently than a traditional vehicle.
The area has many skid marks that are obviously not related to this crash. I think this cause a lot of scrutiny in the beginning and people jumped to false conclusions about street racing. On my first visit days after the crash, there was so much activity that skidmarks were not easily detectable. It wasn't until my second visit, weeks after the crash, that i was able to clearly see them. As shown, they are marked with white dots. I have no idea if these white markings are from the official investigation or from the fan fare of thousands of visitors.
I have heard plenty of stories about how fast the car was travelling. (One guy said 150 mph. I laughed - 150 is not possible here) The last I heard was 90 mph from a local news source. Sure, maybe. With an eyeball measurement, the car burn area is about 25 feet beyond the downed light pole.
I'll take requests for more specific pictures if anybody wants anything in particular and pop over there again. It is literally a minute and a half out of my way.
Please keep in mind that I have not studied or researched the details of this event, nor am I an accident investigator. I'm just a regular dude with my feet on the ground and my eyes on the scene- after the fact. There's a ton of more info out there, bot fact and speculation.
There are a few small trees that were impacted by the crash. At least one was completely knocked over from impact, remained for about a week and has since been removed. Other still-standing trees show major damage and burn. The foliage on the ground was totally burnt in the spot where the car ignited. The curb and sidewalk (dirt path by design intent) seem consistent with crash reports and media coverage.
From every picture I've seen the car id damaged on all sides and is most heavily damaged on both sides and rear. I suspect that both driver and passenger sides took the most impact on the collision. This also seems consistent with the curve in the road, driving path, skid marks, and curb damage. I have not heard and cannot speculate which side took the first impact into the light pole. There is no question that this car knocked down the light pole. It is important to keep in mind that this car and similar half a million dollar supercars are designed to respond to a crash very differently than a traditional vehicle.
The area has many skid marks that are obviously not related to this crash. I think this cause a lot of scrutiny in the beginning and people jumped to false conclusions about street racing. On my first visit days after the crash, there was so much activity that skidmarks were not easily detectable. It wasn't until my second visit, weeks after the crash, that i was able to clearly see them. As shown, they are marked with white dots. I have no idea if these white markings are from the official investigation or from the fan fare of thousands of visitors.
I have heard plenty of stories about how fast the car was travelling. (One guy said 150 mph. I laughed - 150 is not possible here) The last I heard was 90 mph from a local news source. Sure, maybe. With an eyeball measurement, the car burn area is about 25 feet beyond the downed light pole.
I'll take requests for more specific pictures if anybody wants anything in particular and pop over there again. It is literally a minute and a half out of my way.